Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Lysander said:
Yep, Russian only.
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On a desktop or are you viewing via mobile app maybe?

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SPG said:
Is that the same reality of no chance of Russia invading Ukraine ? Giving anything is defeat Russia while bloodied needs to be pummeled, they are weak.
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No, Russia is quite clearly invading Ukraine right now and quite obviously was preparing to. This isn't hard to follow, again - Crimea has a population of 2.4 million, while Ukraine has had some nice victories and is able to ambush Russian forces etc.. as a defender and with the population on their side actually invading somewhere is a rather different task altogether.

You signal your desire for Russia to be "pummeled" all you like, it doesn't make invading Crimea plausible any time soon. Maybe in the future if Russia itself has a civil war or starts to break up among its constituent provinces/republics then it could be... even then it would be a huge undertaking. But right now, there is pretty much no chance of it happening for what ought to be fairly obvious reasons.
 
dowie said:
No, Russia is quite clearly invading Ukraine right now and quite obviously was preparing to. This isn't hard to follow, again - Crimea has a population of 2.4 million, while Ukraine has had some nice victories and is able to ambush Russian forces etc.. as a defender and with the population on their side actually invading somewhere is a rather different task altogether.

You signal your desire for Russia to be "pummeled" all you like, it doesn't make invading Crimea plausible any time soon. Maybe in the future if Russia itself has a civil war or starts to break up among its constituent provinces/republics then it could be... even then it would be a huge undertaking. But right now, there is pretty much no chance of it happening for what ought to be fairly obvious reasons.
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We don't know half the reasons nevermind reasons. Allowing Putin anything but total withdrawl is failure.
 
Sankari said:
The irony is that you're falling for propaganda here. The facts:

* the referendums were illegal; they have no legal authority, because Ukraine's constitution does not allow any region to declare independence from the rest of the country

* the referendums were rigged; independent observers were denied access, Russian voters were brought in to stack the vote, only 34% of Crimean residents actually participated in the referendum, and Russian voters themselves admitted they had been allowed to vote as foreign citizens despite this being illegal

The first point invalidates the referendums by default; the second point is just another nail in the coffin. So stop bleating about the referendums, because they mean absolutely nothing.
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Thanks for this, it's useful information instead of the 'who are your russian handlers' lol

I'm still undecided on all this. Yes, Russia is run by a power hungry psycho and the invasion is terrible for the citizens but I'm not giving the Ukraine government a pass either, they're a bunch of scumbags too with 'off shore interests' to the tune of billions of dollars. The truth is there ARE some seriously right wing nazis as part of the Ukraine 'team'. The US is getting a 'nice' opportunity to sell even more weapons. The whole thing is screwed, innocent people caught in the crossfire and being displaced, many elderly and infirm.

There are many unseen factors to the equation and people as always are capitalising on a crisis, externally governments are using it as an excuse to further jack up prices in already crippled economies. It feels like they're pushing to collapse things and that's if we don't get WW3 in the meantime. The media (social and mainstream) is using it as a means to further escalate fear and division.

I'm really anti-media at the moment, it feels like we get a constructed narrative on most issues, they push an agenda. Social media pushes division to increase engagement and ad revenue. It's time for things to change, I'm not sure how but something's got to give, the lower tiers of society will suffer most and no one seems to care.
 
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/putininterview100.html

Putin 2008: "Crimea is not a disputed territory. There has been no ethnic conflict there, unlike the conflict between South Ossetia and Georgia. Russia has long recognized the current borders of today's Ukraine. In general, we have actually completed the negotiations on the border. It's all about demarcation, that is, about purely technical things. In my opinion, the question of Russia's goals of this kind has a provocative meaning. Too complicated processes are going on in Crimean society: the problem of the Crimean Tatars, Ukrainian, Russian and Slavic people in general - this is, however, a domestic political problem of Ukraine itself. We have an agreement with Ukraine on the stay of our fleet in Sevastopol by 2017. We will be guided by this contract."

Surely he respects country's borders...as long as there's his puppet behind that border (Yanukovych at a time).
 
SPG said:
We don't know half the reasons nevermind reasons. Allowing Putin anything but total withdrawl is failure.
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Putin's reasons aren't really relevant here, the point was about what is and isn't feasible.

Back in reality taking back Crimea isn't feasible. You can call it a failure if you like but it's a failure to meet expectations that weren't reasonable to achieve in the first place.
 
Ranger07 said:
It's crashing like hell right now! I wonder what's going on
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Part of the war chest from Russian banks being used to prop everything up. As many have said the Teddy bears would be expecting economic turmoil but they would have not planned for the worldwide level and ferocity of them.
 
dowie said:
Putin's reasons aren't really relevant here, the point was about what is and isn't feasible.

Back in reality taking back Crimea isn't feasible. You can call it a failure if you like but it's a failure to meet expectations that weren't reasonable to achieve in the first place.
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That the Tory reality of no going in for the kill as it pays the bills on the side ? Who is to say Ukraine do not want it back anyway.
 
SPG said:
That the Tory reality of no going in for the kill as it pays the bills on the side ? Who is to say Ukraine do not want it back anyway.
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I'm not even sure what you're talking about now - re Tories and paying bills etc..

The Ukrainian position is that they do want it back currently - AFAIK no one is saying they don't want it back; why not try to reply to what has been posted here - the point was about the feasibility of taking it back, it's simply not feasible at the moment.
 
Suprising that 1960's land-fired rockets could take down a pretty much new battleship! Is that oridnarily possible or just an almost one-off amazing shot?
 
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