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I do query the same payment of £350 for a room or a whole house though, not sure the reasoning on that?

And I assume since they will be entitled to benefits and accessing the job market (though we are talking women, children and pensioners) then if they had a whole house they'd be responsible for the rates, utilities etc etc? That's difficult enough for people who were raised here, let alone people traumatised refugees who might not even speak english.

Also, it's not supposed to just be giving them a roof over their head, but helping them get settled, into schools, doctors etc basically integrate them into society.

Puzzled said:
People offering a place in their home do need to go into it fully aware of what they are committing to.

These are going to be vulnerable people who may have witnessed some horrific things. All will be distressed and need support as they've left everything and possibly everyone behind. It's not going to be here's a room, crack on.
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Lysander said:
Sure. Look at it this way. When I was growing up we had a tonne of lodgers brought in to help with the costs of running the house, and exchange students for various other reasons. Sometimes they were nice. Sometimes they were bearable. Sometimes they were awful. You just don't know what you're going to get. Have you ever gone on the scout for new flatmates post, say, age 25? It's hard to find someone you get on with well enough, let alone someone you would choose to live with.

So given the choice... I would opt out. It doesn't mean you're xenophobic or racist, I don't care if they're from Ukraine or Upminster, I don't want another person in my residence who I don't know.
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There's nothing wrong with your stance. Try not to let those who believe you aren't doing everything within your power to help on all fronts get to you. You'll find that if those people were as critical of themselves as they are of others, they wouldn't be as good as they think they are.

Fortunately, there are enough people in this country who are rather selfless and will take the rough with the smooth.
 
Freakbro said:
And I assume since they will be entitled to benefits and accessing the job market (though we are talking women, children and pensioners) then if they had a whole house they'd be responsible for the rates, utilities etc etc? That's difficult enough for people who were raised here, let alone people traumatised refugees who might not even speak english.
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My guess is that most Ukrainian refugees who come to the UK will be choosing the UK because they speak English. Apparently around 20% of Ukrainians describe themselves as speaking conversational English, probably about half that will speak it well, and more will have a basic grasp of the language.
 
Ayahuasca said:
There's nothing wrong with your stance. Try not to let those who believe you aren't doing everything within your power to help on all fronts get to you. You'll find that if those people were as critical of themselves as they are of others, they wouldn't be as good as they think they are.

Fortunately, there are enough people in this country who are rather selfless and will take the rough with the smooth.
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Very nice post.
 
Freakbro said:
I do query the same payment of £350 for a room or a whole house though, not sure the reasoning on that?

And I assume since they will be entitled to benefits and accessing the job market (though we are talking women, children and pensioners) then if they had a whole house they'd be responsible for the rates, utilities etc etc? That's difficult enough for people who were raised here, let alone people traumatised refugees who might not even speak english.

Also, it's not supposed to just be giving them a roof over their head, but helping them get settled, into schools, doctors etc basically integrate them into society.
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Ayahuasca said:
There's nothing wrong with your stance. Try not to let those who believe you aren't doing everything within your power to help on all fronts get to you. You'll find that if those people were as critical of themselves as they are of others, they wouldn't be as good as they think they are.

Fortunately, there are enough people in this country who are rather selfless and will take the rough with the smooth.
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Good points. For those who ultimately make the commitment to house a refugee it won't be easy. It's not something someone should do lightly. There are other forms of support that can be offered, down to just boycotting Russian goods etc.
 
Mr Jack said:
My guess is that most Ukrainian refugees who come to the UK will be choosing the UK because they speak English. Apparently around 20% of Ukrainians describe themselves as speaking conversational English, probably about half that will speak it well, and more will have a basic grasp of the language.
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True. I'm looking into it as my house is becoming free in a couple of months as I'm moving in with my partner and I'm not looking into doing it to make a profit, as certain cynical posters infer people are doing, but I just couldn't afford to do it if it ended up costing me X hundred per month - especially as I've lost over 20% of my income recently anyway, thanks to Covid.

But I'm near Boston, which has a large Eastern European population and my best friends wife is Romanian, so I'm reaching out to see if they know any Ukranians that would be willing to help with the support bit.
 
Freakbro said:
Yea, they lost 8 - 10 million troops in WW2, compared to our and the US's 400k

They're not adverse to a bit of meat grinding.
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Exactly.

People have to stop looking at this through western biased eyes and feelings.

This is perfectly "normal " for Russia, they don't mind losing tens/hundreds of thousands of troops to get the job done.

They will just keep pouring troops in, day after day, week after week , month after month.

Personally, I do not believe Russia went into this expecting it to be short and sharp.
They have never employed a "blitzkrieg" type attack/invasion, over in in a matter of days, ever before, so why start now?

Yes it would have been good for them if it had been short and sharp, but I believe we need to understand, Putin, their Generals etc will be perfectly happy for this to take months upon months if necessary

Slow steady grind, flattening everything before them, Grozny on a whole country scale, where the Russians were estimated to have lost between 1500 to 4000 soldiers in one day alone depending whose reports you read.

It is what they expect, these levels of losses is nothing out of the "ordinary" (so to speak) for them.
 
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Video showing inside of the oligarch's mansion that's currently occupied by squatters, the deco, art and furniture must be worth millions.

 
Allnamestaken said:
Funny, riot police don’t turn up and remove people from your average everyday normal squats.

Interesting.
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Wealth determines police response , everyone knows that.


you think if some rich guys house gets robbed he only gets a crime number?

Protect the Wealth, Keep the poor in check.

that's polices job
 
Allnamestaken said:
Funny, riot police don’t turn up and remove people from your average everyday normal squats.

Interesting.
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If you need a formula to help you understand how the Met are going to react to different circumstances, I would suggest it needs to feature the following questions:-
  • Will this result in the need for some investigative work?
  • Is there the chance to beat women?
 
Chris Wilson said:
God `elp them, the three people I know who are thrutching to take on board this scheme are openly in it purely for the money and I wouldn't board a dog with them ;) Anyway, you can only apply if you know a Ukrainian family or person at the moment, or vice versa I think, although how that will be vetted is anyone's guess.
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Can register interest even without knowing anyone and charities/churches will be helping match up people soon. :)
 
Lysander said:
@Mik3 very interesting how one image can boil a complex conflict down to Us vs Them. In this case Them being 30 countries.
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Yep. The second image is accusing others of what you do yourself, Joseph Goebbels come first to come up with this type of propaganda, Putin is the one threatening nukes.
 
chroniclard said:
Can register interest even without knowing anyone and charities/churches will be helping match up people soon. :)
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Some of these desperate people are going to end up in the worst possible accommodation, unless there's inspectors going around checking he places out first.

NO room to swing a dog, Only a box room not big enough for a child etc.
mother+child expected to share a single bed.

stuff like that.

it's not only going to be people with actual room for them but every unscrupulous person who thinks it could be a nice earner for 6 months.

Seems if your on benefits you can still get the +350 without any effect on your benefits too, so anyone with a spare room can pretty much double their income.


Seems a good way to get a live in cleaner + 350 a month, just take advantage over these people, most of them won't speak English according to goggle so will feel lost and helpless.

Hopefully every area will have some Ukraine meet up groups, churches should get in on the act.
so these people don't feel alone with no where to turn if their host isn't so gracious.
 
Entai said:
Exactly.

People have to stop looking at this through western biased eyes and feelings.

This is perfectly "normal " for Russia, they don't mind losing tens/hundreds of thousands of troops to get the job done.

They will just keep pouring troops in, day after day, week after week , month after month.

Personally, I do not believe Russia went into this expecting it to be short and sharp.
They have never employed a "blitzkrieg" type attack/invasion, over in in a matter of days, ever before, so why start now?

Yes it would have been good for them if it had been short and sharp, but I believe we need to understand, Putin, their Generals etc will be perfectly happy for this to take months upon months if necessary

Slow steady grind, flattening everything before them, Grozny on a whole country scale, where the Russians were estimated to have lost between 1500 to 4000 soldiers in one day alone depending whose reports you read.

It is what they expect, these levels of losses is nothing out of the "ordinary" (so to speak) for them.
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The difference between the 1940s and now, is they currently don’t have the troops to spare as cannon fodder without leaving themselves very vulnerable, the Russian army is now essentially at minimum manning levels across the rest of Russia because of the troops deployed to Ukraine, they also had an economy and country mobilised for war, they currently have neither now. This war will decimate the Russian armed forces for decades
 
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