Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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woppy101 said:
no, there’s nothing like the GAU-8 Avenger
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The Soviet union does have something like the Gau-8 Avenger and they did put it in a plane that they intended to be like the A-10. GSh-6-30 autocannon in a MiG-27.

It sort of worked, in that it flew and fired. Though if you had any sense you'd be very reluctant to do both at the same time. The plane probably wouldn't fall apart immediately, but it would be damaged and possibly seriously. There's a video on it from the Paper Skies channel on Youtube with an unflattering but mostly accurate title - "Soviet Gun That Kept Destroying Its Own Aircraft".

For a very quick summary, here's a snippet from the Wikipedia page on the combo:

The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryaz...oming_-_Dr_Karl_Kruszelnicki_-_Google_Books-4

Making a flying big gun seems like an obvious solution, but it has to be specifically designed that way and designed very well. The A-10 was both. The soviet version was neither. They tried to shoehorn an existing gun (designed for naval use) into an existing plane.
 
bingham67 said:
Rather embarassing for Russia to be able to have helicopters fly into there airspace and do damage I mean hard to tell in the videos what way they are coming from but they seem to fly straight on is that back the border or what.

There is more closeup videos of the helis flying over maybe will be able to confirm it definitely was Ukrainian.

I didnt think Russia wouldnt be able to be touched from the air, this comes after Russia made a statement of them disabling most of the Ukranian air force LOL.
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maybe i'm getting confused, this thread is tricky to follow at the best of times, but why would the ukranians deny blowing up a russian fuel depot if they did it?

doesn't sound like it'd be bad pr (my impression being it's a legitimate military target for them?) you'd think they'd be celebrating the win of making russia's logistics even worse?
 
adolf hamster said:
maybe i'm getting confused, this thread is tricky to follow at the best of times, but why would the ukranians deny blowing up a russian fuel depot if they did it?

doesn't sound like it'd be bad pr (my impression being it's a legitimate military target for them?) you'd think they'd be celebrating the win of making russia's logistics even worse?
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The argument would be that they can't risk it escalating any more then it already has. Russia will use any excuse to sell more extreme options in combat and/or propaganda.
 
adolf hamster said:
maybe i'm getting confused, this thread is tricky to follow at the best of times, but why would the ukranians deny blowing up a russian fuel depot if they did it?
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Ukraine haven't denied doing it it's just the person the journalist spoke to either had no knowledge of the attack or wasn't authorised to comment on it so couldn't confirm or deny that they did it. Granted it is possible they may deny it eventually which would be worrying as that would point to Russia doing it themselves in order to drum up additional war support at home (a false flag attack).
 
DrToffnar said:
The argument would be that they can't risk it escalating any more then it already has. Russia will use any excuse to sell more extreme options in combat and/or propaganda.
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Also using the Kremlin's BS against them by denying everything and trying to make the general staff/Putin paranoid that their own troops might have done it.

The attack itself could go either way in terms of public opinion in Russia, but it's difficult to evade the individual doubt in Putin's credentials for keeping the country safe that could grow from such an act and that isn't a position he want's to be in considering he's spent two decades on bolstering his chauvinistic armour.

On top of the lie that Putin was good for the economy there's not much left to protect him from a growing disquiet besides the immediate and persuasive lie over a threat to the motherland.
 
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ubersonic said:
You can ignore posters you don't like. However the vast majority of people in the thread are highly appreciative of 0007's efforts so don't expect anything to be done if you don't.
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DrToffnar said:
The argument would be that they can't risk it escalating any more then it already has. Russia will use any excuse to sell more extreme options in combat and/or propaganda.
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that does make sense.

ubersonic said:
Ukraine haven't denied doing it it's just the person the journalist spoke to either had no knowledge of the attack or wasn't authorised to comment on it so couldn't confirm or deny that they did it. Granted it is possible they may deny it eventually which would be worrying as that would point to Russia doing it themselves in order to drum up additional war support at home (a false flag attack).
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this also makes sense.

guess like a lot of these events it'll take a while to be sure what the deal is.

VincentHanna said:
Why does Russia denying blowing up schools and hospitals when they did it?
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as i mentioned, the impression i had of the situation is that the fuel depot was a legitimate military target and blowing it up would be bad for russia's logistics, which is good news for ukraine.

compared to blowing up schools and hospitals without (at least, not stated in defense of the action) military value.
 
ubersonic said:
Ukraine haven't denied doing it it's just the person the journalist spoke to either had no knowledge of the attack or wasn't authorised to comment on it so couldn't confirm or deny that they did it. Granted it is possible they may deny it eventually which would be worrying as that would point to Russia doing it themselves in order to drum up additional war support at home (a false flag attack).
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Ukraine security chief has denied it. Though as Strider also said, it could just be Ukraine choosing to spin it Rusky style, though if true I think thats stretching on Ukraines part a bit.
 
Mik3 said:
There's a video on Twitter showing scores of dead civilians in the town of Bucha, there doesn't seem to be that much bomb damage in the video either, some people are suggesting they might have been executed.
It's absolutely appalling. :mad:
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There's a report on BBC today showing evidence of civilians having been killed outside Kyiv in an area Russians have just withdrawn from - some suggestion that bodies, etc have been burned and destroyed as they withdraw to cover evidence.
I wouldn't be surprised at executions at all sadly
 
Some more towns recaptured just north of Irpin

Later, local officials said the northern Kyiv region towns of Bucha and Ivankiv had been retaken by Ukrainian forces and Ukraine's armed forces said the nearby town of Borodyanka had also been liberated, sharing a photo of Ukrainian troops they said was taken in the town.
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Vitaliy Klitschko urged residents not to head back to Kyiv yet because "huge" battles were being fought to the north and east of the capital. He did not indicate that these were new battles.


"The risk of dying is pretty high, and that's why my advice to anyone who wants to come back is: Please, take a little bit more time," he said.
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My partner was telling this morning people are reading the news and are looking at moving back into Ukraine but that's a little way off given the situation. If Vitaliy Klitschko is telling you to stay away you better listen to the man.
 
chrismscotland said:
There's a report on BBC today showing evidence of civilians having been killed outside Kyiv in an area Russians have just withdrawn from - some suggestion that bodies, etc have been burned and destroyed as they withdraw to cover evidence.
I wouldn't be surprised at executions at all sadly
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Yeah saw that. That particular incident was a couple weeks ago and was caught by drone. These killings in Bucha don't looks like artillery. It's civilians outside homes and lots of them :mad:. My guess is executed for refusing to 'evacuate' with the Russians or just outright executed in revenge for the pasting they're getting.
 
Washout said:
Wow, so either:
  • a couple of madlad Ukrainian pilots went off piste from central command (or their local command didn't report the op), or they're fog of war-ing the operation because.... dunno!
  • Russian pilots accidentally attacked the wrong place (that can't be possible, can it?!)
    Edit: or sabotage as protest against war - they'll be losing lots of friends/colleagues for no good reason. Russians would defo keep that quiet.
  • False flag from the Russian side - really don't know why they'd bother?! Unless they're really going to escalate soon? The withdrawl is turning into a nightmare for those pulling back - there's some insane videos on reddit of ambushes and tanks shooting close range at other vehicles hit by arty, unclear if Ukrainian or Russian panicking and trying to clear the road but they're having a mare.
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Or PsyOp by Ukraine by denying it keeping Russia on edge.
 
Washout said:
Yeah saw that. That particular incident was a couple weeks ago and was caught by drone. These killings in Bucha don't looks like artillery. It's civilians outside homes and lots of them :mad:. My guess is executed for refusing to 'evacuate' with the Russians or just outright executed in revenge for the pasting they're getting.
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Yeah, I thought the same, there is some bomb damage at the beginning of the video but not so much towards the end, it looks like they were dragged out and murdered.
 
ubersonic said:
You can ignore posters you don't like. However the vast majority of people in the thread are highly appreciative of 0007's efforts so don't expect anything to be done if you don't.
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You are right, or people can be adult and just manually ignore content they're not interested in reading, that being said, given EVH's post I think he's been thread banned
 
Russia's Ministry for Emergency Situations and other government stuff been flying in and out of Belgorod today - those explosions have got their attention that is for sure.
 
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