Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The Running Man said:
Yep the drone wars are nearly upon us!

I would have thought that fire once and forget units that are cheap to produce and are basically a payload on a disposable bed is the future.
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We currently use a type of loitering munition but it’s more of a fire off then guide it into a target, they did experiment with an loitering rocket fired off from a MLRS around 2005, which would be fired off and would then stay airborne and circle in a holding pattern for a period of time which could then be controlled into a target when needed, but that was abandoned mostly due to cost as the munition was unrecoverable once the fuel ran out and it was then a waste of a £100k rocket
 
Harlequin said:
UK are sending Harooons. Didnt think ours were land vehicle launchable??
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They're not - this is just a twitter rumour - I doubt we are sending harpoons as Ukraine doesn't have any ships left in its Navy!

chrismscotland said:
Unless its a missile fire at short range from a helicopter we literally don’t have an anti-ship missile to give them
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Then it probably is a missile fired at short range from a helicopter or similar (drone etc..).
 
woppy101 said:
We currently use a type of loitering munition but it’s more of a fire off then guide it into a target, they did experiment with an loitering rocket fired off from a MLRS around 2005, which would be fired off and would then stay airborne and circle in a holding pattern for a period of time which could then be controlled into a target when needed, but that was abandoned mostly due to cost as the munition was unrecoverable once the fuel ran out and it was then a waste of a £100k rocket
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That seems silly in retrospect given the cost of missiles/rockets in general - does anyone know how much a switchblade 600 costs?
 
dowie said:
They're not - this is just a twitter rumour - I doubt we are sending harpoons as Ukraine doesn't have any ships left in its Navy!



Then it probably is a missile fired at short range from a helicopter or similar (drone etc..).
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Yeah Its an odd one, I'm not sure what system they plan to give them that can be natively fitted to any of their existing platforms.
If anything I'd suspect it to be Sea Skua. Not long out of service, likely still hold stores and can be Heli launched. However, that would no doubt require retrofitting launch and guidance means to existing Heli's, I suspect this would neither be quick or cheap option, if at all even possible?
 
The US have LRASM, but kind of limited to certain airframes so doubt Ukraine could use it though if there's a will I suppose there's likely a way to jury-rig it.
 
steve45 said:
If anything I'd suspect it to be Sea Skua. Not long out of service, likely still hold stores and can be Heli launched.
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Yeah, that seems more plausible than harpoons or perhaps the Martlet missile.

I just don't see the UK escalating to the point where they're supplying something too long-range, though it's possible I guess.


I wonder if they'd try some of the Switchblade 600s against smaller ships - they've got some reasonable range, the fact that they could/or if they did try it once might be sufficient to cause Russian ships to back off from the shore, eliminating their ability to use their guns on land-based targets.
 
Considering it would imply invasion which would have to follow a nuclear war... I don't see the point in such armaments for the UK particularly, but making them for other countries would be sensible.
 
chaparral said:
Sounds kind of crazy that the uk doesn't have any anti ship missiles systems that can be fired from land when the UK is surrounded by water
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A stationary ship could be hit by a GMLRS within 70km, wouldn’t sink it but would cause heavy damage, not a chance of hitting a moving target though
 
bingham67 said:
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this is the reason why sanctions fail

if one day we start banning stuff from China, Al that will happen is China will ship items to Vietnamese, Vietnamese will stick "made in Vietnam sticker on the item" and then ship the item from a Vietnamese port to Europe or USA


There is only one way to enforce a proper trade sanction it's called a blockade, where we park ships and and people along the border of the sanctioned country to prevent goods exiting its borders - so if you don't want Russian oil leaving Russia you have to put soldiers and ships along its border to ensure no oil leaves


The good thing with China is that we can block most of their borders by sea and thus starve them into submission because they rely on so much imported food to avoid famine - no one ever needs to invade China and lose a soldier, all you have to do is blockade its ports and the country will quickly starve to death
 
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