I can't get past that mental side of things when it comes to some foods. I still want things like crisps, cake, biscuits, sweets, etc. Other things I've managed to deal with - instead of noodles in my stir fry, I'll have the Bare Naked konjac things, instead of pilau rice, I use cauliflower rice, etc.
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I can't get past that mental side of things when it comes to some foods. I still want things like crisps, cake, biscuits, sweets, etc. Other things I've managed to deal with - instead of noodles in my stir fry, I'll have the Bare Naked konjac things, instead of pilau rice, I use cauliflower rice, etc.
My partner is the same. She has a big addiction to sweet things like cake, chocolates etc and easter was hard for her, so we took a planned day off to accommodate but were strict in getting back on .
I admit crisps were a hard thing for me to let go, but I've replaced them with the KP chilli peanuts (which are only a couple of g carbs per 30g) or pork scratchings (eat these less frequently - but they are a good breading).
im on the keto diet too mate. Working wonders, and I can still enjoy delicious meals, the hardest part for me has been eating crap at night time, I’m 3 weeks in and I think the hardest part for sugar cravings etc has past..
I found after 3 weeks I started moving naturally to IF / OMAD. I tend to eat one huge meal mid afternoon if working from home and a few small snacks during a 6-8 hour window
yeah, I’m similar, I tent to get peckish later on after dinner, and I know your not really supposed to, but I have a few nuts and strawberries to tide me over till lunch next day.
If it fits the macros!
So as someone who for the first time in his life has successfully gone cold turkey from all the crap I have to say that mindset is the most important thing.
Once you really realise that sugar is a sweet tasting slow acting poison, that so called vegetable and seed oils are infact toxic waste, seriously watch how the stuff is made that used to be for engines etc before they invented synthetic oils and that all plants, while they contain good nutrients also contain many other substances that are harmful or carcinogenic, do you really want to put that stuff in your mouth anymore?
Once you really realise that sugar is a sweet tasting slow acting poison, that so called vegetable and seed oils are infact toxic waste, seriously watch how the stuff is made that used to be for engines etc before they invented synthetic oils and that all plants, while they contain good nutrients also contain many other substances that are harmful or carcinogenic, do you really want to put that stuff in your mouth anymore?
yeah, I’m feel a damn bit better now mentally as well as physically, definitely dirt and more exercise.
I wish I could get out to a gym again and exercise, but don't think I'd be safe with my lower limb mobility issues, pain and swelling. Hoping to find a foldaway bench that can support my weight at home for basic stuff.
yeah, I have bad knees and was worried that hitting a golf club would aggravate my left knee specifically, but so far so good, thankfully.
It's been hard going the past few years since I was attacked at work in 2018 and had my leg broken in 12 places. All breaks below and including my right knee. One of the reasons my weight ballooned too 35st and my health kept declining. I think I've accepted how things are finally but I'm not prepared to allow it to kill me. Hence my trying to fix things the only way I can.
Sorry to hear that also, it's great to hear that you are so determined to fix your health and not let it rule your life though.
Regarding the low carb stuff, everything I read about it makes so much sense but I just can't shift the feeling that eliminating an entire macronutrient can be healthy in the long term. It's why I stopped keto when I tried it even though I did feel brilliant once the initial fog lifted. I'd never felt so light on my feet, sustained energy throughout the day, zero bloating and lethargy, what was I saying again?
Regarding the low carb stuff, everything I read about it makes so much sense but I just can't shift the feeling that eliminating an entire macronutrient can be healthy in the long term. It's why I stopped keto when I tried it even though I did feel brilliant once the initial fog lifted. I'd never felt so light on my feet, sustained energy throughout the day, zero bloating and lethargy, what was I saying again?
Regarding the low carb stuff, everything I read about it makes so much sense but I just can't shift the feeling that eliminating an entire macronutrient can be healthy in the long term. It's why I stopped keto when I tried it even though I did feel brilliant once the initial fog lifted. I'd never felt so light on my feet, sustained energy throughout the day, zero bloating and lethargy, what was I saying again?
It's the non-essential one though. Carbohydrates offer nothing in the grand scheme of things. But never having bread ever again? Or a piece of birthday cake? Or an easter egg? It'd make me miserable as I love all food. But when I've shifted this last bit of weight, I don't intend going over 150g carbs daily. I keep this little chart tucked in my wallet as a reminder and hope it turns out to be true.
Oh I do agree and like I say so much of it makes sense however long term it would just be too restrictive for me personally. It's not something I'd be able to maintain throughout my whole life which is the exact reason I stopped it. I am very tempted to go back to trying a lower carb diet though as I have seen that picture before. At the moment I'm eating around 300g carbs a day and I'm always hungry! I just don't want to be in some kind of carb limbo especially as I want to improve my running and fitness. I suppose I'll never know unless I try for a few weeks though 
Sorry to hear that also, it's great to hear that you are so determined to fix your health and not let it rule your life though.
Regarding the low carb stuff, everything I read about it makes so much sense but I just can't shift the feeling that eliminating an entire macronutrient can be healthy in the long term. It's why I stopped keto when I tried it even though I did feel brilliant once the initial fog lifted. I'd never felt so light on my feet, sustained energy throughout the day, zero bloating and lethargy, what was I saying again?
Thanks, I was genuinely starting to feel like I was dying at the end of of 2021. I want a long life, I want to grow old with my missus. I want to watch my daughters grow up and meet future grandkids if they have them. Not be dead before I'm 50. Besides, I'm not robbing myself of the chance to dance on the exes grave when she finally snuffs it, disabled or not lol
kidding, mostly. The thing with carbs is there's no such thing as an essential one! They literally do nothing but turn to sugars and unnecessarily bulk up your fecal matter. The conventional wisdom is that the brain needs the glucose to run. But that's just not correct, the brains preferred fuels are fat and ketones. Hence the clarity, it can use glucose but its not optimal.
Honestly if you think you felt good on low carb, wait until you go zero carb. The difference is stark.
Give it a shot for 45 days, I say that as the first two weeks are typically not super pleasant. For a few reasons, but the golden rule in those first two weeks is a simple one. Never trust a fart! This is the fat adaptation phase.
Then it's simple as hell, No sugar, No Carbs, No Plants & nothing artificial. You might not lose weight, you might even gain a few pounds at first but I promise you'll feel great. Then eat something from the standard Western diet and tell me how you feel. You won't want to go back.
First off I want to say congratulations on your progress its fantastic, keep up what is working for you.
I do feel however that while carnivore and no carb/low carb works for you, it isnt for everyone, especially depending on the stage they are at in their fat loss journey. Your in a position where you body can utilise energy from your own fat stores, but as you get further in to your journey and your fat stores drop further and further you might come to learn that carbs are a useful energy source.
Humans are omnivores, we are designed to eat carbs, utilise carbs, and work off them. Its why they are the easiest source of energy for the body to utilise, and everything, even fat gets metabolised in to carbs before the body burns it as energy.
@Syla5 thank you mate, but politely I must disagree with you entirely.
Let's take a look at some facts, first of all for the past 20 odd years geneticists have known that our lifespan should be approximately 120 years. That is, excluding things like injury or disease that's what we should all be living to. But the vast majority of us don't even get anywhere close to 100, with huge swathes of people going in there 60's and 70's for example. Also most of old people become incredibly frail etc in those latter stages of life. The question is why? Why are we not reaching our genetic potential and why are we all so sick? Could it be diet related?
I believe it is. There's absolutely zero doubt that over the millions of years of our evolution our species developed to become carnivore. We don't regrow our teeth like herbivores, and we're not capable of of using them to "mill" with our teeth like they do. Lock your teeth together and try moving your jaw side to side. You can't.
Then there's the fact that unlike every other animal that is supposed to eat plant matter, we don't have a secum. This renders over 90% of all plant matter indigestible/inedible to us. We did have a security but the appendix, a vestigial organ that serves no purpose in the body has all but evolved away and serves no function. Why would this happen over millions of years if our ancestors ate plants? It wouldn't.
Then consider that humans have stomach acid stronger than carrion animals like vultures, the fact that there are 4 organs in the body dedicated to the process of digesting, converting and processing of fats. Specifically for long chain fatty compounds which are only found in animals.
If then we we're supposed to be omnivore how did we survive the ice age as a species, when there where no plants? Why are there no cave paintings of fruits and vegetables? How is it that Innuits who still follow their Ancestral diets don't get malnourished and die? The masai don't typically eat plants, Ghengis Khan's entire army ate and drank horse meat and blood almost exclusively. Plains Indians and many other cultures do the same. Even Herodotos the ancient Greek historian has records of peoples claiming their civilisations ate nothing but meat and also lived longer. Dr Salisbury, creator of the Salisbury steak in the late 1800's did so after discovering that the people he was studying ate only meat and where healthier for longer. Not suffering any of the health conditions we typically suffered with in the west.
I could go on and on.
Then one of the first thing botanists learn is the toxicity of plants, all plants including fruit and vegetables. Nobody is arguing that they don't contain valuable nutrients but they also contain many other compounds that are toxic, carcinogenic or outright poisonous. Take tomatos, they belong in the deadly night shade group. Table mushrooms contain hundreds of known carcinogens. Yes we may have developed tolerances to such things but it doesn't mean it's good for us or that these things don't build up over time and kill us prematurely. Plants are trying to kill you, it's how they defend themselves.
Just because we can eat some of these things doesn't mean we should. We've just become used to doing so. I could go into the science of how carbs keep our insulin resistance up making us sick over time, or that they cause swelling and inflammation etc but I'd be here all week.
The point is, if we eat how we've evolved to eat we should all see greatly improved health as a minimum. I've never heard one carnivore ever say anything negative if they've been doing it properly and we're talking those who've been strict carnivore for 10years or more. There's simply no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. Ketones and fat are our bodies preferred fuel and energy sources and when eating a varied carnivore diet we get everything we need without need for supplementation.
My feeling great or having more energy may partly be coming from my fat stores, but then look at most carnivores who aren't as unwell as me with very little body fat and they feel even better than I do. I can even think of professional athletes who don't eat carbs.
Let's take a look at some facts, first of all for the past 20 odd years geneticists have known that our lifespan should be approximately 120 years. That is, excluding things like injury or disease that's what we should all be living to. But the vast majority of us don't even get anywhere close to 100, with huge swathes of people going in there 60's and 70's for example. Also most of old people become incredibly frail etc in those latter stages of life. The question is why? Why are we not reaching our genetic potential and why are we all so sick? Could it be diet related?
I believe it is. There's absolutely zero doubt that over the millions of years of our evolution our species developed to become carnivore. We don't regrow our teeth like herbivores, and we're not capable of of using them to "mill" with our teeth like they do. Lock your teeth together and try moving your jaw side to side. You can't.
Then there's the fact that unlike every other animal that is supposed to eat plant matter, we don't have a secum. This renders over 90% of all plant matter indigestible/inedible to us. We did have a security but the appendix, a vestigial organ that serves no purpose in the body has all but evolved away and serves no function. Why would this happen over millions of years if our ancestors ate plants? It wouldn't.
Then consider that humans have stomach acid stronger than carrion animals like vultures, the fact that there are 4 organs in the body dedicated to the process of digesting, converting and processing of fats. Specifically for long chain fatty compounds which are only found in animals.
If then we we're supposed to be omnivore how did we survive the ice age as a species, when there where no plants? Why are there no cave paintings of fruits and vegetables? How is it that Innuits who still follow their Ancestral diets don't get malnourished and die? The masai don't typically eat plants, Ghengis Khan's entire army ate and drank horse meat and blood almost exclusively. Plains Indians and many other cultures do the same. Even Herodotos the ancient Greek historian has records of peoples claiming their civilisations ate nothing but meat and also lived longer. Dr Salisbury, creator of the Salisbury steak in the late 1800's did so after discovering that the people he was studying ate only meat and where healthier for longer. Not suffering any of the health conditions we typically suffered with in the west.
I could go on and on.
Then one of the first thing botanists learn is the toxicity of plants, all plants including fruit and vegetables. Nobody is arguing that they don't contain valuable nutrients but they also contain many other compounds that are toxic, carcinogenic or outright poisonous. Take tomatos, they belong in the deadly night shade group. Table mushrooms contain hundreds of known carcinogens. Yes we may have developed tolerances to such things but it doesn't mean it's good for us or that these things don't build up over time and kill us prematurely. Plants are trying to kill you, it's how they defend themselves.
Just because we can eat some of these things doesn't mean we should. We've just become used to doing so. I could go into the science of how carbs keep our insulin resistance up making us sick over time, or that they cause swelling and inflammation etc but I'd be here all week.
The point is, if we eat how we've evolved to eat we should all see greatly improved health as a minimum. I've never heard one carnivore ever say anything negative if they've been doing it properly and we're talking those who've been strict carnivore for 10years or more. There's simply no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. Ketones and fat are our bodies preferred fuel and energy sources and when eating a varied carnivore diet we get everything we need without need for supplementation.
My feeling great or having more energy may partly be coming from my fat stores, but then look at most carnivores who aren't as unwell as me with very little body fat and they feel even better than I do. I can even think of professional athletes who don't eat carbs.