Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Mrwong]

Again stop being so literal. I was merely stating China as an example for a what-if scenario.

For those pedants out there, if we were faced with far superior military power than our own would we fight to the bitter end or not.

lol China are in it up to their eye balls, Russia are falling for it and China will take Russias position in thw world.

 

[Azza]

At the local park.

 

[Shamikebab]

Yeah seen a few of those around

 

[Washout]

Again stop being so literal. I was merely stating China as an example for a what-if scenario.

For those pedants out there, if we were faced with far superior military power than our own would we fight to the bitter end or not.

Your whole premise seems a bit flawed since Ukraine clearly isn’t vastly outmatched. Russia don’t even control the air which is a huge part of being able to assert any kind of superiority. They’ve also suffered really substantial losses in experienced soldiers and equipment while Ukraine is getting more.

 

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Spoiler: *Germany Provides Further 37 mln EUR for Reconstruction in Ukraine - Augsburger Allgemeine Citing Development Ministry Sources — RTRS

*Japan Chief Cabinet Secretary Matsuno: Asked About Sakhalin-2 Project, Said Will Need to Closely Watch Situation

Spoiler: *Japan Says Exiting Sakhalin Energy Projects Would Weaken Russia Sanctions — RTRS

*Russian Ministry Of Emergency Situations: More Than 6,000 People In Liberated Areas Of Ukraine Have Received A One-time Aid Payment
*Russian Ministry Of Industry And Trade: Russia May Add Two Nuclear-powered Icebreakers In 2028 And 2030

*Australia Adds Financial Sanctions On 147 Russian Individuals
*Australia Adds Sanctions On Family Members Of Russian President Putin And Foreign Minister Lavrov

 

[alchal]

Not really, for starters China does not have a Blue water navy, trying to invade an island a massive distance from home is a totally different prospect.

China does have a blue water navy now though.....

 

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'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 22 April 2022'

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517375697437798405

 

[Custor]

*U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland: We Have Been in Contact With Ukraine Prosecutor, Helping With Preservation and Collection of Evidence of Possible War Crimes

The same USA who's not a party to the ICC? They must be fuming at missing out on bombing a country. That's their gig.

 

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*Russian Ministry Of Foreign Affairs: Russia Is Willing To Conduct Candid Dialogue With The US On The Basis Of Mutual Respect, And Communication Channels Still Exist

Spoiler: *Ukrainian Deputy PM: No Major Humanitarian Corridors Arranged for Friday Due to ‘Danger on the Routes’ — RTRS

Spoiler: *Mariupol Mayor Issues New Appeal for Full Evacuation of Civilians From the Southern Port City — RTRS

Spoiler: *Britain’s Johnson to Offer India Help Building Its Own Fighter Jets — RTRS

https://www.reuters.com/world/india...a-help-build-its-own-fighter-jets-2022-04-21/

 

[Hagar]

The same USA who's not a party to the ICC? They must be fuming at missing out on bombing a country. That's their gig.

We have not reached the readiness level for bombers in the air yet.

Looking ar what Russia is doing to level cities in Ukraine and around the world with its bombing and shelling, I think that they have the gig title at the moment.

As for membership of the ICC that does not matter for the acquisition and preservation of the evidence, it is who actually leads for the prosecution.

 

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Spoiler: 'Olaf Scholz Is Becoming Putin’s Most Valuable Ally' — The Spectator

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/olaf-scholz-is-becoming-putin-s-most-valuable-ally

~Not a headline, but thought it might be an interesting read for someone

*Russia's FSB: Ukrainian Operatives Planned Car Bomb Attack on Russian Humanitarian Convoy — Sputnik

Spoiler: *Russia’s Gazprom: It Continues Shipping Gas to Europe via Ukraine in Line With Customer Requests, Friday Volume 58.2 Million Cubic Metres — RTRS

Spoiler: *Russia's Petropavlovsk Applies For Export Licence Amid Struggle To Sell Gold — RTRS

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...t-licence-amid-struggle-sell-gold-2022-04-22/

*French Finance Minister: The EU May Impose An Embargo On Oil Imports From Russia In The Next Few Weeks, But No Exact Date Yet

 

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*Russia's Defence Ministry: Our High Precision Missiles Struck 3 Military Targets In Ukraine Overnight, Including S-300 System
*Russia's Defence Ministry: Our Air Force Hit 58 Military Targets In Ukraine Overnight
*Russian Defense Ministry: Since Russia Launched A Special Military Operation, The Russian Military Has Destroyed 520 Ukrainian Drones
*CEO Of Russia's VTB Says Russia May Face Orchestrated Default On State Debt, Says It's Not A Technical Default

Spoiler: *Ukrainian An-26 Transport Plane Crashes While Performing Technical Flight, There Are Casualties — Local Authorities In Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia — RTRS

Spoiler: *Sweden's SKF to exit Russia, take 500 million SEK write-down — RTRS

*German Chancellor Scholz to Visit Japan April 28-29 - Japan Official — RTRS
*French President Macron: We Have to Take Different Sensibilities of European Countries on Ukraine/Russia Into Account, Must Not Allow New “Iron Curtain” Inside Europe

Spoiler: *Britain’s Johnson to Offer India Help Building Its Own Fighter Jets — RTRS

https://www.reuters.com/world/india...a-help-build-its-own-fighter-jets-2022-04-21/

*India's Prime Minister Modi: Good Progress In Talks On Free Trade Agreement With Britain, Aim To Finalize This Year
*India's Prime Minister Modi: Agreed To Deepen Cooperation With Britain On Defence
*India's Prime Minister Modi: Agreed to Deepen Energy Ties With Britain
*India's Prime Minister Modi: Discussed With UK Prime Minister Johnson Need For Ceasefire In Ukraine
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Britain And India Have Signed A New Defence Partnership
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Agreed Cooperation On Fighter Jet Technology With India
*UK's Prime Minister Johnson: Has Told Negotiators To Complete Free Trade Deal With India By November

Spoiler: *UK Police Say Examining About 50 Allegations of Ukraine War Crimes — RTRS

Spoiler: *Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda Told German Foreign Minister, Lithuania Needs A Brigade-Sized NATO Troop Unit, Reinforced Suwalki Corridor To Poland — Lithuania Statement — RTRS

 

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*German Chancellor Scholz: Must Avoid 'Nuclear War' In Russia Conflict
*German Chancellor Scholz: Germany Will Continue To Send Weapons To Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: Germany Acting In Concert With NATO Partners On Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: Our Army's Options For Supplying Ukraine With Further Weapons From Its Arsenal Largely Exhausted
*German Chancellor Scholz: Avoiding Escalation Towards NATO Is A Top Priority For Me
*German Chancellor Scholz: I Do Not Think It Is Justified For Germany And NATO To Become Warring Parties In Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: There Must Be A Peace Agreement That Enables Ukraine To Defend Itself In Future
*German Chancellor Scholz: EU Gas Embargo Wouldn't End War In Ukraine
*German Chancellor Scholz: In Talks With Slovenia On Tank Swap Deal
*German Chancellor Scholz: A Better Equipped German Army Will Not Lead To More Aggressive German Policy
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/olaf...-geben-a-ae2acfbf-8125-4bf5-a273-fbcd0bd8791c - source for the first 1 or 2 headlines I think, the rest via Reuters

*Russia’s Space Agency Roscosmos Announces Creation of Russian-Chinese Commission on Cooperation on Manned Space Flights — TASS

*Russia’s Military Says It Plans to Take Full Control of Donbas and Southern Ukraine As Part of Second Phase of Military Operation
*Russia’s Military Says It Also Plans to Secure Passage to Crimea — IFAX
*Russia's Military Says Control Of Ukraine's South Will Give Russia Another Gateway To Breakaway Transnistria Region Of Moldova

 

[andybird123]

China does have a blue water navy now though.....

They only have 2 small aircraft carriers, which would be nowhere near enough to mount a serious attack on the UK, they wouldn't even make it to UK waters.

 

[andybird123]

Well I said in another thread that the West should be doing more to support Ukraine, and that was met with cries of 'don't poke the bear' and 'you don't challenge a country with nuclear arms'.

So which is it?

So first off, I made my opinion very clear. Saying "someone else once had a different opinion" is a nonsense argument. Personally I think we should have sent troops to Ukraine before this even started - just like the US did with Georgia and stopped Putin in his tracks from trying to take the whole of Georgia.

Watching Ukraine get decimated whilst other countries sit at the sidelines cheering them on isn't really helping them.

I agree, I think we should have done more to help and should still be doing more, we should be sending them an artillery piece for every man and woman who wants one, not 72, thousands.

We shouldn't be drip feeding them $800m a week, it should be $10bn now. In the long run it will save the world a lot more cost. We should be sending F16's, MIGs, hinds, everything we have that could help. They don't have a manpower issue, they have training camps where they have 20 men waiting and 1 gun available. Sending additional troops with no equipment actually wouldn't help them at all.

It'd be akin to China declaring war on the UK and us trying to fend off an attack from them, assuming nuclear weapons weren't involved, we'd fail miserably, but you're suggesting everyone fights to the death and watches the country turn to oblivion in the name of honour and valour? That wouldn't be very smart and the government at the time would likely concede defeat in the interest of the safety of the citizens.

You're assuming the Russians would have been less brutal if Ukraine rolled over at the first instance, and in terms of deaths with the first couple of months you may be correct, but longer term the costs to YOUR family might still be terrible. It's also somewhat unlikely as Ukraine have already been fighting Russia in Donbas since 2014, so there would still have been a lot of "reprisals".

I personally would rather my country fight even if that means my death, rather than live a lifetime under a brutal dictator where I could end up dead anyway at any moment.

But to be honest, if you're the sort of person who can argue against Russia's invasion one minute and then be spewing pro Russian nonsense the next, then at least I know I can safely ignore anything else you post.

I mean you are actually arguing that we shouldn't have stood up to Hitler. Putin is now every bit as bad as he was, it's the exact same thing and I find it incredibly frustrating that we've even let him get this far.

The "oh but he's got nukes" argument is rubbish. Several of his ex advisers know exactly full well that he wouldn't use them as it's a self imposed death sentence the second you launch them.

 

[Mrwong]

China does have a blue water navy now though.....

Thanks to western greed.

 

[Mrwong]

Spoiler: *Germany Provides Further 37 mln EUR for Reconstruction in Ukraine - Augsburger Allgemeine Citing Development Ministry Sources — RTRS

*Japan Chief Cabinet Secretary Matsuno: Asked About Sakhalin-2 Project, Said Will Need to Closely Watch Situation

Spoiler: *Japan Says Exiting Sakhalin Energy Projects Would Weaken Russia Sanctions — RTRS

*Russian Ministry Of Emergency Situations: More Than 6,000 People In Liberated Areas Of Ukraine Have Received A One-time Aid Payment
*Russian Ministry Of Industry And Trade: Russia May Add Two Nuclear-powered Icebreakers In 2028 And 2030

*Australia Adds Financial Sanctions On 147 Russian Individuals
*Australia Adds Sanctions On Family Members Of Russian President Putin And Foreign Minister Lavrov

Artic invasion 2035.

 

[Dr Jack]

Spoiler: 'Olaf Scholz Is Becoming Putin’s Most Valuable Ally' — The Spectator

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/olaf-scholz-is-becoming-putin-s-most-valuable-ally

~Not a headline, but thought it might be an interesting read for someone

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that the Spectator is gunning for Germany's Social Democratic leader. Couldn't be more surprised, tbh

I wish Scholz was willing to go further and faster but the idea that he's some kind of Kremlin ally is Kuhscheiße.

 

[CapitalOne]

Artic invasion 2042.

Come on, it's a PC forum first battle, Queen Maud land.

Or do you mean an invasion of lorries?

 

[kindai]

EDIT: Purely conjecture and doesn't fit maybe with earlier health signs but recent sightings of him he looks a lot like my neighbour did when liver cancer had advanced.

Looking at the video, it looks like hes unable to move his right arm and his thumb twitches multiple times and you see his right leg twitch a few times.

Could it be the onset of parkinsons, or if the rumors of his heart attack are true then this could be the neurological damage from said heart attack showing.