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Maple Leaf said:
I don't either. However, it would be a Budapest Memorandum violation by Russia which the USA and UK could not ignore. That would lead to US/UK forces fighting Russian forces in Ukraine which would not necessarily lead to World War 3 or action by other NATO members. However, if allied forces in Ukraine were then attacked by Russia with tactical nuclear weapons then NATO would have no choice but to respond with tactical nukes in a like-for-like manner. Whether or not the Russians then continue using tactical nukes or escalate to using strategic nukes would be up to them, but in either case we would respond likewise.
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That is possible. I don’t know if they would put forces on the ground but the air is possible. Also long range cruise missiles into none Russian territory but that’s a grey area now.
 
potatolord said:
If there is any use of tactical nuclear weapons, all bets are off. The rules change at that point, regardless of the moral dimension.

As horrible as it is to say, that would focus minds solely on escalation.
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A nuclear attack on Ukraine is not an attack on a NATO member, so IMHO odds are NATO would either go around targeting Russian assets outside of Russia i.e. sinking Russian ships, or by putting NATO troops into Ukraine.

The general plan is to chip away at Russia till it collapses with minimal collateral damage, I imagine any response will be inline with the current methodology.
 
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Yeah you wouldn't want to be on a Russian ship. I'm pretty sure the west could wreck Russian assets without using nukes.
 
I just don't see how this can de-escalate from here.
Putin isn't going to back down and Ukraine isn't going to settle for anything less than getting their entire country back.
All the theatrics in Moscow today make it impossible for an end to hostilities that sees Russia withdraw.
 
Efour said:
Imagine if it turned out to be USA sabotage of the gas lines.....

Green new deal.... :p
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:cry: Although in all seriousness it was a huge leak of greenhouse gases equivalent to the annual methane emissions of Denmark so I doubt it somehow. Methane is also a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide so it's far from ideal as we try to fight the climate crisis.
 
Rilot said:
I just don't see how this can de-escalate from here.
Putin isn't going to back down and Ukraine isn't going to settle for anything less than getting their entire country back.
All the theatrics in Moscow today make it impossible for an end to hostilities that sees Russia withdraw.
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Only way I can see it is if putin is happy with some land. And somehow Ukraine accepts it.

But seems unlikely.

At some point Russia will lose. And I fully believe putin is capable of a ww3 esque tantrum
 
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*Biden: U.S. and Its Allies Won’t Be Intimidated by Putin
*Biden: Putin’s Actions Are a Sign He’s Struggling
*Biden: U.S. Fully Prepared to Defend With Allies Every Single Inch of NATO Territory
*Biden: Putin Can’t Seize His Neighbor’s Territory and Get Away With It
*Biden, on Pipeline, Says It Was a Deliberate Act of Sabotage

*Ukrainian Defence Ministry Says Its Troops Have Liberated the Village of Drobysheve, Near Key Russian-Occupied Town Of Lyman
 
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413x said:
Only way I can see it is if putin is happy with some land. And somehow Ukraine accepts it.

But seems unlikely.

At some point Russia will lose. And I fully believe putin is capable of a ww3 esque tantrum
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Ukraine won't accept that. They'd fight on even if we stopped helping. The only way this will end is with Putins removal, either death or deposed.
 
If he hadn't done the annexation today, I could have seen it end with Russia withdrawing but keeping Crimea in exchange for stopping fighting.
 
413x said:
That's what I mean. But what else could be done? The west is backed into a corner. And putin has backed himself into a corner.

How does this entire conflict get resolved? Only way I can see it is if he gets some land. Stops. We let him have his "contested land".
Rest of Ukraine joins nato.

He has his win. Cold War is in effect. Ukraine is partly sacrificed. Nuclear war averted.
Its then explicit what happens if any more fighting happens.

Ww3
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He already got Crimea among others and that didn't stop him.
 
Putin won't use a tactical nuclear weapon on Ukraine, or at least not in his ****** up mind he won't. But if, and it's a big if, he does decide to order it then you can bet anything that it'll most likely be a 'small' 2.5kt warhead fired from the the Msta which are already deployed to the AO and the detonation site will be a few hundred yards inside the newly stolen areas so he can claim he didn't target Ukraine. And by a 'small' device I mean

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Uther said:
Ukraine won't accept that. They'd fight on even if we stopped helping. The only way this will end is with Putins removal, either death or deposed.
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Removal of western support would spell the end for Ukraine. Not saying it's something I necessarily agree with but the west could likely impose a diplomatic solution involving some loss of Ukrainian territory if it could actually avert WW3.

It's not what is fair, but then if it actually came down to Ukraine losing some territory versus nuclear weapons being used then I think I know which way I'd rather it went
 
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