I don't think they'd quit, no. They're clearly going to win this season, and are best placed to win until '26. The project is working.
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I don't think they'd quit, no. They're clearly going to win this season, and are best placed to win until '26. The project is working.
Considering a lot of the car was developed in 2021, could this affect the current season as well?
Yeah, but I can't see the FIA pulling that. Unless they give them a functionally meaningless but numerically big penalty. I mean, at this point that could deduct 100pts from Max and it'd make no odds.
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The FIA need to think carefully on this one, as whatever they do is going to set a big precedent. I don't think this will be the last time this happens.
In terms of a penalty I doubt it would apply retroactively, so that only leaves this season or next for it to apply. I doubt they would penalise the drivers, similar to how they dealt with Spygate in 2007/8.
So going on precedent that leaves a choice of, most harsh first:
- RB being excluded from this year's WCC and receiving no prize money
- A huge fine to set an example to other teams
- Pay back the over-spend out of next year's budget
- Start next season with a points deduction (similar to Bolton a couple of years ago)
- A point deduction this season
- A slap on the wrist for being naughty and promising not to do it again in the next 3 years
Personally I'd be fine with any of the top 3, it just depends on how egregiously they broke the limit. To paraphrase Max Mosely during Spygate, 'The penalty is 5% for the misdemeanor and 95% for Horner being a ****'.
In terms of a penalty I doubt it would apply retroactively, so that only leaves this season or next for it to apply. I doubt they would penalise the drivers, similar to how they dealt with Spygate in 2007/8.
So going on precedent that leaves a choice of, most harsh first:
- RB being excluded from this year's WCC and receiving no prize money
- A huge fine to set an example to other teams
- Pay back the over-spend out of next year's budget
- Start next season with a points deduction (similar to Bolton a couple of years ago)
- A point deduction this season
- A slap on the wrist for being naughty and promising not to do it again in the next 3 years
Personally I'd be fine with any of the top 3, it just depends on how egregiously they broke the limit. To paraphrase Max Mosely during Spygate, 'The penalty is 5% for the misdemeanor and 95% for Horner being a ****'.
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If they don't penalise the drivers, or apply the penalty to the season it took place in, the whole thing is a joke (assuming it's a major infraction, if it's a small amount then obviously things are different). It's always the WDC people remember, and this isn't a situation where it's a mere technical thing - more money equals faster cars.
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Can't get excited (give a toss) until the FIA announce something
Brilliant find, thanks!
1982 was a horrendous season, like 1994. Watching Hockenheim 1982 and Murray Walker's commentary on Pironi's qualifying crash as one YT observer commented:
"Imagine the championship leader crashing out in qualifying and ending his racing career in 2022. The whole tone of the coverage would reflect the disaster and it would be the terrible leading narrative. Back in ‘82 it was so matter of fact, just a brief acknowledgment that it even happened"
Reading Pironi's autobiography, his road to recovery was eyewatering; took 3 years. Similar to bike/road racers (Ian Hutchinson).
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Which they will spend 10 years scratching there heads before making a lame decision. RB has fia in its back pockets
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We know what people are hoping for with the cost cap thing, but if red bull have breached it massively, it should be exclusion from the WCC, not the WDC, imo.
Cost cap is just another tedious part of F1. Without throwing money at something in the sport, you're not going to gain time. I'd be surprised if Mercedes and Red Bull were under the cost cap this year, unless they're hiding some expenses somewhere.
The development race was always a cool part of F1. Now we've got giant cars, frozen engines and hands tied behind back.
Cost cap is just another tedious part of F1. Without throwing money at something in the sport, you're not going to gain time. I'd be surprised if Mercedes and Red Bull were under the cost cap this year, unless they're hiding some expenses somewhere.
The development race was always a cool part of F1. Now we've got giant cars, frozen engines and hands tied behind back.
Indeed. He is a great driver, but might be yet to win a legitimate championship even though he supposedly will have two.
We know what people are hoping for with the cost cap thing, but if red bull have breached it massively, it should be exclusion from the WCC, not the WDC, imo.
Cost cap is just another tedious part of F1. Without throwing money at something in the sport, you're not going to gain time. I'd be surprised if Mercedes and Red Bull were under the cost cap this year, unless they're hiding some expenses somewhere.
The development race was always a cool part of F1. Now we've got giant cars, frozen engines and hands tied behind back.
Disagree. I know it would not be Max's fault as such, but how is it fair that a driver gets an F1 title simply because his team massively overspent and flagrantly disregarded the cost cap rules?
If Red Bull knowingly and wilfully broke the cost cap by a massive amount they should be excluded from the championship completely.
Otherwise, why even bother having a cost cap? I appreciate that you cant exclude teams for procedural issues or mistakes that take them slightly over. However if it can be proven that a team has knowingly just spent loads more than they are allowed, the hammer should come down on them.
Of course, even if it is true that is Red Bull who have massively overspent, the whole thing is bent so i doubt anything will actually come of it. They will likely get a slap on the wrist and then we will be fed more bull**** and lies from serial gas lighters (and all round terrible human beings) Horner and Marko.
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Sorry just re read your first sentence... And agree.
Because if they didn't overspend he might not have had a car capable of domination this year or even finishing 2nd in the last group of races last year. It goes hand in hand. Think most people have accepted the end of last year now as the rules were sort of followed, but the budget cap is a hard and fast rule and if rbr are the ones who went over as a major they need to be punished accordingly otherwise it sets a precedent that oh its OK to ignore this rule.
But then as the fia have no hard and fast punishment it will be a shambles no doubt but would need the strength of the rest of the teams to work together to have punishment enforced.
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If it is proven they have breached the cost cap intentionally and massively, a fine cannot be the punishment, as then Merc and Ferrari will just go "lol ok, we have tons of money we will just take the fine".
It has to be championship point based.
I think the fair decision would be, as last season was the first time a cost cap was introduced, just a slap on the wrists should be applied no way should the driver recieve any punishment.
So many seem to wish to change the decision made fair and square last season in the last race by accusing RB when they have zero evidence over any overspend and, if there were, what the overspend funded. It is not necessarily true that any budget went into improving the car what so ever.
Oh and the 'fishwive' Toto needs to shut up, he is becoming an embarrassment...
So many seem to wish to change the decision made fair and square last season in the last race by accusing RB when they have zero evidence over any overspend and, if there were, what the overspend funded. It is not necessarily true that any budget went into improving the car what so ever.
Oh and the 'fishwive' Toto needs to shut up, he is becoming an embarrassment...
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And they should be, if RB have breached the cap by as much being speculated they would not have won the WDC last year and this year, as someone said earlier both Max‘s WDCs will be tainted
What do you expect when the question of the rumours are being put to him? It does suggest that this rumour is being deliberately put around in an attempt to dicredit and destabilise the RB team.
If any is moaning it is Toto playing politics yet again.
If any is moaning it is Toto playing politics yet again.
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