Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Grim5 said:
I was looking at this area on a map a few weeks ago, I suspect the Russians may have just fallen back as soon as Zolta was taken and they may do some more falling back. There is some high ground advantage along that coast line, nice to lay down artillery from
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Perhaps, but the more they are pushed back to the Dnieper, the harder they are going to find defending Kherson will be.
 
In an interview with ABC news, former CIA director and 4 star general, David Petraeus, stated that: he believes any use of a Nuclear weapon inside Ukraine would result in a joint NATO and major ally response, led by the U.S, to go in and destroy every Russian military asset in Ukraine, including Crimea and in the Black Sea and such an operation would not involve boots on the ground but just planes in the sky and ships in the sea.

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Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’
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a1ex2001 said:
Common sense, if Russia wasn’t a nuclear power the Ukraine would be crawling with western armed forces or more likely the invasion would never have happened. Avoiding direct conflict between east and west and the almost inevitable escalation that would come with it has to remain the key objective.
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The fact they have to openly state "we want to avoid war with Russia" is a concern in itself and suggests things are probably worse than we think behind the scenes
 
Grim5 said:
In an interview with ABC news, former CIA director and 4 star general, David Petraeus, stated that: he believes any use of a Nuclear weapon inside Ukraine would result in a joint NATO and major ally response, led by the U.S, to go in and destroy every Russian military asset in Ukraine, including Crimea and in the Black Sea and such an operation would not involve boots on the ground but just planes in the sky and ships in the sea.

www.theguardian.com

Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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No doubt they've already got them all mapped out and targetted, just waiting...
 
ianh said:
I would say that he is empathic to both the plight of his countrymen, who have to pick-up the tab from these refugees through higher taxes, longer NHS waiting lists, more kids in schools etc, as well as the poor refugees themselves, who the Government have thrown the door open to without planning any way to support them in a meaningful, thought-out, long term way, leaving everyone - refugees and British - worse off from the experience.

That sounds like empathy to me, rather than the simplistic "Please come here - but we've no idea how to immediately help you, no idea how to further support you and no idea how to pay for all everyone now the cost of living has jumped up - but still come anyway, even if you have to be abandoned like a Xmas puppy later on!!!" version of 'empathy' which just hurts everyone.

The UK needed a long term solution, one that was well understood, budgeted and properluy planned and would have been an actual help to the refugee's, even if that took time to do. Once they'd left Ukraine, waiting say 6 months in a "safe" country before coming a fully prepared UK would have been far better than the treatment many are receiving now.
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If they are Anglo Saxon and men then maybe you're right.

The idea that you can maybe take a few months to fully plan out a situation when refugees are fleeing a war zone is ridiculous. Or is this just another case of not our problem, let everyone else deal with it even though their countries and citizens are also likely experiencing hardships? No need to answer I think we already know.
 
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Uther said:
No doubt they've already got them all mapped out and targetted, just waiting...
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My guess is that it would start with nato fighter jet and bomber squadrons taking off from Romania and Maldova (it's a short 350km flight to Crimea) and then bombing all the Russian bases, equipment and defences in Crimea. Once Crimea is neutralised then aircraft carriers and destroyers would enter the Black Sea and if any Russian ships are still in the area they'd be attacked and from these ships they'd launch sorties into Eastern and Southern Ukraine
 
Freddie1980 said:
With regards to Kherson I think it's more important Ukraine keeps the Russian's fixed in that area. They don't want them being redeploy elsewhere to reinforce vulnerable positions in the east.
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They are keeping them fixed, though the recent moves to exploit weak spots aren't causing them to be redeployed rather they're going to cause casualties and POWs, if anything they're potentially promoting more troops to be sent there as Putin is desperate to hold it. Could be an interesting few days...

Malevolence said:
Jesus, how loud are they screaming if you can hear them in Northern Greece?
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Apparently, they've been posting on social media to request air support!
 
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Chris Wilson said:
The only disgusting thing here is someone comparing the plight of the Jewish people in Germany during World War Two and the illegal charlatans being brought ashore at the rate of around 1100 a day by NGO's, the RNLI and other assorted do gooders. Pakistanis, Albanians, heaven knows how many different nationalities of safe countries coming across the globe to the UK totally illegally, as mainly economic migrants, interspersed, no doubt, with those with more destructive agendas.

At around 1100 a day how many more days should this go on for, unchecked? That's a million coming here in less than two and a half years. Totally unsustainable. Those are just the ones officially helped ashore and noted, God knows how many more there are alighting off the records.

And the crux of the matter is misuse of humanitarian laws by a mainly legal aid supported subset of our legal proffession, often with a radical political agenda, have for long hamstrung those wanting to put a stop to it.
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Your post was about Ukrainian refugees, people fleeing a war zone where Russians have been murdering, raping and even kidnapping children as they go. So don't now try and make it about the greater issue with people trying to enter the UK, you can save your bigotry for the thread devoted to that subject.
 
I am genuinely starting to think Ukraine can win this now

I was listening to an interview last week. The expert said that there is a provision in the (anti) nuclear proliferation treaty that guarantees any non nuclear nation defence from the other nuclear powers should a nuclear power attack them
Based on that I can't see how The UK, USA, France etc cannot defend Ukraine if Putrid uses a nuke. Failure to do this is going to mean every other non nuclear weapon holding nation is going to try to get them. I assume this is what the talk of the USA etc taking action in Russia if they do use a nuke is about.
 
Petreus says things which are completely opposite to Bidens statements, if US and/or NATO directly attack russian assets then its an act of War. Biden has ruled out a confrontation between NATO and russia at all costs. Unless ofcourse i am not up to date informed.
 
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Iraklis F.C. said:
Petreus says things which are completely opposite to Bidens statements, if US and/or NATO directly attack russian assets then its an act of War. Biden has ruled out a confrontation between NATO and russia at all costs. Unless ofcourse i am not up to date informed.
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No they said pretty clearly that if Russia uses nukes in Ukraine they'd retaliate.
 
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