Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
With a fragmented Russia I doubt any of the resulting states would be able to afford to maintain nuclear weapons, even with the arsenal and strategic forces and equipment divided up or trying to pool resources towards that end.
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China may step in to help at the ethnically mongol, asiatic end of the country. ;)
 
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Rroff said:
With a fragmented Russia I doubt any of the resulting states would be able to afford to maintain nuclear weapons, even with the arsenal and strategic forces and equipment divided up or trying to pool resources towards that end.

We spend about £3bn a year maintaining our, relatively small, nuclear weapon capability and that benefits from having additional nuclear capabilities which have some overlap (and the US facilities), which fragmented states of Russia wouldn't have.
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But knowing you have an unfriendly nuclear armed neighbour might make it worth the expense - would Ukraine be being invaded now if it had kept its weapons.
 
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Lol it's not getting any better for them.

Way up on the old 250 average.

At this rate it will be 100k by mid december let alone Christmas.

Of Note:
  • 840 Rashist KIA
  • 16 Tanks
  • 28 APC/IFV
  • 17 Artillary
Edit: Total estimates are approacing 75k dead in around 8 months of fighting.
As a comparison to that nuttyness; The Soviet-Afgahn war lasted 9 years with only 14.5k dead and helped collapse the Soviet union.
Russias hangover after all this is going to be epic.
 
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I_M_Weasel said:
But knowing you have an unfriendly nuclear armed neighbour might make it worth the expense - would Ukraine be being invaded now if it had kept its weapons.
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It depends whether you think Ukraine would launch a nuclear response to being invaded by Russia and therefore committing suicide through MAD. We believe (generally, though there are some obvious exceptions) that Putin will not launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine (or, Ukrainian territory annexed by Russia), and Russia might believe that would be the case in an invasion of Ukraine. We will never know.
 
gailjon said:
It depends whether you think Ukraine would launch a nuclear response to being invaded by Russia and therefore committing suicide through MAD. We believe (generally, though there are some obvious exceptions) that Putin will not launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine (or, Ukrainian territory annexed by Russia), and Russia might believe that would be the case in an invasion of Ukraine. We will never know.
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I think it would have prevented Russia from nuclear sabre rattling if it knew the consequence of using its weapons was to have some back.

It is a concern to me that if Russia did use nuclear weapons (and I think this very unlikely) and the other nuclear powers did not intervene on the attacked countries behalf, then every country on earth would then feel the need to obtain it's own deterent and the world would be a less safe place.
 
I_M_Weasel said:
I think it would have prevented Russia from nuclear sabre rattling if it knew the consequence of using its weapons was to have some back.

It is a concern to me that if Russia did use nuclear weapons (and I think this very unlikely) and the other nuclear powers did not intervene on the attacked countries behalf, then every country on earth would then feel the need to obtain it's own deterent and the world would be a less safe place.
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Many countries are building nukes.
 
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