RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[oweneades]

In a lot of ways this release feels like the HD4xxx series vs the GTX2xx series (and to a degree the successors in the HD5xxx/GTX4xx respectively - especially when looking at efficiency). Focusing on the tiers below the flagship (HD4870 was targeting the GTX260 not the 280 from memory) and hoovering up market share (away from the RTX4080 and below - possibly will be more relevant / obvious when we see the whole product stacks side by side as at ~£1k these cards are still on the very expensive side in absolute terms even if "value" is decent) rather than focusing on the bleeding edge of performance.

Whether this is actually the case or not I don't know but it certainly has that feeling.

I noticed very early in the stream that the core focus was on performance uplift per watt rather than outright performance.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Maybe because they got data that not many were using those effects? They also have to develop for the lower common denominator PCs to keep the playing field level for all players. Its also development time spent implementing a feature which many are disabling. In a COD game, almost the entire lobby dies and respawns within the first few minutes of a game, that's how fast paced it is. Turning it on is pointless because you won't notice the difference when you are moving so fast. Not just ray tracing, the HDR implementation in COD games is also really horrible. I see raised blacks on my display and can't even use Special K injection as it will get me banned.

RT only makes sense in slower paced single player games where you can soak in the environment.

If you only want RT in slower paced SP games is it worth an extra £700 for a bit better performance and will it ever be a de-facto graphics setting?

 

[rexehuk]

We're living in clown world now, a grand is chump change

Only the price of a pint right?

*200 pints
*50% of your energy bills for year
*66% of your council tax

 

[h4wks]

COD needs to run at super high frame rates even on budget hardware. The game is so fast paced you wouldn't notice the RT anyway. If you try to admire the RT effects, you will be shot at and demolished by the other players. It makes more sense in a Battlefield game than COD IMO as at least the maps are huge enough to flank and enjoy the visuals. Turning on RT also puts you at a performance disadvantage unless you are on a 4090.

Also COD isn't a game about graphics. Its all about gameplay. All COD games look like they just came out of 2015 and RT isn't going to help anything. Battlefield used to be great in this regard but sadly even 2042 doesn't look particularly good enough to use RT.

In the single player campaigns I've always cranked up all of the settings and targeted 60fps. Then turned everything down for multiplayer modes to push 200fps.

 

[melmac]

Afaik the presentation didn't mention VR 2% of gamers do so in VR which goes up to 15% of simmers (Steam numbers). We often spend quite a lot of money on our hobby. Missed opportunity imo.

+1

I guess infer VR performance from high resolution performance and (H264) encode performance.

The raster bump will apply to VR but clearly no unique tech such as vrss, sps etc.

Still would expect niche players like xtal, varjo etc to be nvidia only.

AMD's new cards are a totally new design. Chiplets. My bet would be that they have focused all their attention for this generation on normal pancake gaming. I am guessing there will be some teething issues to begin with. I believe with the second generation Chiplet GPUs, AMD will push on strong with the likes of VR and Raytracing etc.

For the moment, I would say the situation is much the same as the last generation. If you are big into VR, get a Nvidia GPU.

Of course, real reviews and user experience could prove everything I just said totally wrong!!

 

[Troezar]

Only the price of a pint right?

*200 pints
*50% of your energy bills for year
*66% of your council tax

Thankfully I don't live in London. Doesn't see long ago when the original Titans were sold for "crazy" prices, much less than these prices. Unless we get some major wage inflation we're back in the 1990's we're PC gaming was an expensive niche.

 

[brightside229]

given it is only 100 difference between the two models, most people will just pay the extra and get the top card at this price range?

 

[Shaz12]

If you only want RT in slower paced SP games is it worth an extra £700 for a bit better performance and will it ever be a de-facto graphics setting?

Its not a bit better though. Its a lot. The 4090 RT performance is 2.65x the 6950XT while the 7900XTX is 1.7 times. Also it depends on the games you play. While I do enjoy the occassional MP shooters, I am a single player guy most of the time. Most AAA single player games over the past year did have RT in some form or the other. The consoles can also do decent RT which makes it virtually certain it will be there in some form in most games and even when you enable RT in its limited form, the graphs change.

In the single player campaigns I've always cranked up all of the settings and targeted 60fps. Then turned everything down for multiplayer modes to push 200fps.

I do the same thing. In COD games though, graphics have never been impressive. Even in previous games which had RT, it didn't look good at all. Try playing games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2 and then move to COD and it feels jarring.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Its not a bit better though. Its a lot. The 4090 RT performance is 2.65x the 6950XT while the 7900XTX is 1.7 times. Also it depends on the games you play. While I do enjoy the occassional MP shooters, I am a single player guy most of the time. Most AAA single player games over the past year did have RT in some form or the other. The consoles can also do decent RT which makes it virtually certain it will be there in some form in most games and even when you enable RT in its limited form, the graphs change.

We will see how much better or worse it is when we have proper reviews, not going to lie the 4090 will be ahead but we need to wait and see by how much. Plus the use cases you have described don't call for crazy fps anyway.

You say the consoles, based on RDNA2 can do decent RT but RDNA 3 with it's 1.7x improvement isn't good?

 

[rexehuk]

Thankfully I don't live in London. Doesn't see long ago when the original Titans were sold for "crazy" prices, much less than these prices. Unless we get some major wage inflation we're back in the 1990's we're PC gaming was an expensive niche.

Yup, seeing the world through the same lens. It's easy to think we're a minority on here, but the forum is mostly full of people who will buy PC stuff at any price.

 

[Zarax]

+70% performance for the same money?
I'd call that amazing, we're actually getting better performance per currency unit!

Let's see if that will translate also to lower SKUs...

 

[0h_no_not_again]

+70% performance for the same money?
I'd call that amazing, we're actually getting better performance per currency unit!

Let's see if that will translate also to lower SKUs...

Sound logic!

There's reasonable counter arguments that RT isn't +70%, but it's a step in the right direction for sure.

 

[DDH]

https://www.techpowerup.com/300648/...performs-within-striking-distance-of-rtx-4090

Some extrapolated numbers. If even remotely accurate this is a huge wim for AMD and consumers

 

[uscool]

https://www.techpowerup.com/300648/...performs-within-striking-distance-of-rtx-4090

Some extrapolated numbers. If even remotely accurate this is a huge wim for AMD and consumers

wow if true thats way to close, and lets not forget 4080 16gb which will cost £1269 and with lower performance

 

[Shaz12]

We will see how much better or worse it is when we have proper reviews, not going to lie the 4090 will be ahead but we need to wait and see by how much. Plus the use cases you have described don't call for crazy fps anyway.

You say the consoles, based on RDNA2 can do decent RT but RDNA 3 with it's 1.7x improvement isn't good?

As I said it depends on your priorities when it comes to FPS. My 3080 Ti in my secondary rig does make RT playable which is what I imagine the 7900XTX will do. But at the end of the day, its using DLSS performance mode and I am at 60 FPS which is what the 7900XTX will also resort to. With the 4090 you can target higher quality levels for RT whilst simultaneously being able to use DLSS Quality mode instead and it will still generate more FPS despite that. That's a pretty big leap in visual presentation as opposed to just higher fps in rasterization.

Had Nvidia not existed in an alternate reality, their RT improvement was nice but Nvidia is still a whole generation ahead. AMD is also not using dedicated RT cores for RT. Its still being done on shader cores indicating they aren't serious about the technology.

 

[Bencher]

You say you want no part in it, yet you keep proving my point. You have accepted the low bar that Nvidia have set for IQ. All so they can keep telling you “better than native”.

I dont know and i dont care what you or nvidia tell me. I care about what my eyes tell me, and i can clearly see that dlss is way better than taa in both performance and iq. Period.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

With the 4090 you can target higher quality levels

And at a bargain price too!

It’s not clear nvidia is “a whole generation ahead” given the prices. Let’s see the performance of this, and a $1000 nvidia card before making that judgement, IMHO. If nvidia stoop to even release a $1000 dollar card this generation!

 

[Chewie]

The backwards and forwards over who’s best performance and who’s best for value will continue but all points are moot until we see the U.K. pricing.

The $ price looks good but I’m not convinced that’s going to translate into good £ pricing if we’re limited to AIB only in the U.K. again.

The 6900 variants weren’t cheap when they launched AIB, least not for quite some time.

EDIT: TBH, if the U.K. pricing was going to be fantastic, don’t you think Gibbo would have been in here teasing us by now?

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see £1000 for the 7900 XT and £1200 for the 7900 XTX.

 

[Shaz12]

And at a bargain price too!

It’s not clear nvidia is “a whole generation ahead” given the prices. Let’s see the performance of this, and a $1000 nvidia card before making that judgement, IMHO.

Based on their own charts, NVIDIA is a generation ahead when it comes to RT. Pricing is subjective. I always buy halo cards so I didn't really think the pricing of the 4090 was all that bad compared to the 3090. The 4080 is terrible though.

I would pay that premium for RT and DLSS because I just don't know what I would do with the higher FPS on the AMD card. Assuming I get 130 FPS with the 7900XTX, I will see no perceptible differences compared to the 70-80 FPS I was getting with the 3080 Ti without an FPS counter.

 

[glenimp617]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see £1000 for the 7900 XT and £1200 for the 7900 XTX.

I'll bite at £1,000, but anything over and I'll either wait (probably) or bend over and pay for a 4090. The 4090 is good, but it's not amazing and for that amount of money you really do want it to be amazing.