RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[glenimp617]

People upgrading from a 3080 Ti or any 3000 series card will be looking at it as an upgrade route. Maybe it makes sense for those on a 3070 or lower but I doubt that customer base would be looking for a card which costs over a grand.

I'm going to buy one

 

[Shaz12]

So it's a multiplayer shooter, probably the most popular genre of game out of them all, which RT shouldn't try to run on?

For the record I agree performance is better but that's a pretty huge market to not want RT on.

COD needs to run at super high frame rates even on budget hardware. The game is so fast paced you wouldn't notice the RT anyway. If you try to admire the RT effects, you will be shot at and demolished by the other players. It makes more sense in a Battlefield game than COD IMO as at least the maps are huge enough to flank and enjoy the visuals. Turning on RT also puts you at a performance disadvantage unless you are on a 4090.

Also COD isn't a game about graphics. Its all about gameplay. All COD games look like they just came out of 2015 and RT isn't going to help anything. Battlefield used to be great in this regard but sadly even 2042 doesn't look particularly good enough to use RT.

 

[Rup]

Ah, there's some more of that low rent trolling we were just talking about.

The 7900xtx, if we believe the figures they gave (and for now we have no others) equals or beats ampere at RT, and looks to be approaching the 40 series in raster performance (certainly outshining ampere there). For 60% of the price of the only available 40 series card, and with much better power consumption.

That certainly looks more like “best” to me, than a halo card which costs £1700 and burns the house down while you play. “Most” of us won’t be buying a 4090, even here on an enthusiasts forum, so it’s of interest what else the market can offer at various price points.

More like a low rent reply.
No it doesnt burn the house down. I and the vast majority have had no issues with the power connector.
When you add in DLSS (way better than FSR), frame generation (works well for me) and vastly superior RTX, the 4090 is way better.
If the XTX was competetive, wouldnt AMD have shown some comparisons to the 4090 and priced the XTX accordingly?
AMD (like) all companies will price as much as they can.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Why does caring about RT = trolling? I want a GPU which is good at both raster and RT or at the very least completely smokes the 4090 in raster (we can use VSR to upscale and downscale to get beyond the 120hz limitation). I don't mind paying high prices for this hobby but AMD had nothing for a customer like me yesterday.

I thought you were a 4k 240hz gamer now?

 

[Shaz12]

I thought you were a 4k 240hz gamer now?

I was talking in general about the install base. 4k 120hz is the majority. 4k 240hz aren't that common place. I don't see any difference in fluidity after 80 FPS even on a 240hz monitor.

 

[Shaz12]

and you dont need as much high FPS on single and slower based games so RT 60fps min should give good experience

True.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

COD needs to run at super high frame rates even on budget hardware. The game is so fast paced you wouldn't notice the RT anyway. If you try to admire the RT effects, you will be shot at and demolished by the other players. It makes more sense in a Battlefield game than COD IMO as at least the maps are huge enough to flank and enjoy the visuals. Turning on RT also puts you at a performance disadvantage unless you are on a 4090.

Also COD isn't a game about graphics. Its all about gameplay. All COD games look like they just came out of 2015 and RT isn't going to help anything. Battlefield used to be great in this regard but sadly even 2042 doesn't look particularly good enough to use RT.

So why did they add it in the last 3? What's the problem with adding cutting edge graphics that you can easily disable on a AAA game?

Basically this statement says that any game that is competitive shouldn't bother adding new graphics effects cause they affect fps.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Why does caring about RT = trolling?

It doesn’t. Dismissing AMD’s offerings as if they don’t have RT is borderline trolling though, when they are delivering competitive value for money on RT compared to nvidia, and offering far better value on raster.

£1k *is* a high price for this hobby. You seem to want AMD to release a super-halo product for an unlimited budget, when most folks on (and off) this forum have been crying out for years about the rocketing prices. You’re a niche within a niche.

 

[KompuKare]

That makes more sense but does mean it’s not going to be as scalable as some think, cannot add more CU’s as its all in the main die. That said, they could do a bigger main die version.

Well, it's also about risks.

Going chiplet was already risk enough especially if the bus linking it all together is power hungry (it is for Ryzen and Epyc).

It will be interesting to see what Navi32 (7800) brings. Does it use the same IO dies? In which case a bigger main die might be in the works although unsure if there aren't limits in terms of max substrate etc. Still Epyc substrates are huge.

3D stacked IO dies could also be on the cards. Hard to say if Navi 31 could properly utilise those, but if they were to make a 500mm²+ main die, maybe then using 3D stacked IO dies makes sense rather than having to with a 512-bit bus etc.

 

[uscool]

More like a low rent reply.
No it doesnt burn the house down. I and the vast majority have had no issues with the power connector.
When you add in DLSS (way better than FSR), frame generation (works well for me) and vastly superior RTX, the 4090 is way better.
If the XTX was competetive, wouldnt AMD have shown some comparisons to the 4090 and priced the XTX accordingly?
AMD (like) all companies will price as much as they can.

no need to justify paying for the privilege its better and it should be costing £1699 and thats for the FE, what will be interesting is the lower stacks where most of the market share is, where does nvidia stop ? they seem to keep raising price each gen ??

imo keeping the same rrp and increasing performance is pretty good to see uplift to the last gen AMD cards looks good to me hoping the same for the lower stacks

 

[chroniclard]

More like a low rent reply.
No it doesnt burn the house down. I and the vast majority have had no issues with the power connector.
When you add in DLSS (way better than FSR), frame generation (works well for me) and vastly superior RTX, the 4090 is way better.
If the XTX was competetive, wouldnt AMD have shown some comparisons to the 4090 and priced the XTX accordingly?
AMD (like) all companies will price as much as they can.

Its, in a lot of cases, twice the price.

 

[Hedge]

More like a low rent reply.
No it doesnt burn the house down. I and the vast majority have had no issues with the power connector.
When you add in DLSS (way better than FSR), frame generation (works well for me) and vastly superior RTX, the 4090 is way better.
If the XTX was competetive, wouldnt AMD have shown some comparisons to the 4090 and priced the XTX accordingly?
AMD (like) all companies will price as much as they can.

It's $700 dollars less money. I can understand if they were the same price but they aren't?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It doesn’t. Dismissing AMD’s offerings as if they don’t have RT is borderline trolling though, when they are delivering competitive value for money on RT compared to nvidia, and offering far better value on raster.

£1k *is* a high price for this hobby. You seem to want AMD to release a super-halo product for an unlimited budget, when most folks on (and off) this forum have been crying out for years about the rocketing prices. You’re a niche within a niche.

They are trying their best to defend Nvidia jacking up prices for the RTX4000 series,by dunking on AMD for not doing so. That way they can mentally prepare themselves to pay the jacked up pricing and feel fine about it because they had "no choice" because AMD was crap and it was all the fault of AMD for not making their Nvidia dGPUs cheaper. This is despite AMD freezing price of its top end dGPU to the same as the last generation(which was below the Nvidia equivalents) which will lead to their Nvidia dGPUs being cheaper. The $900 RTX4060 is gone and the $1200 RTX4070 will need a price cut(will still be overpriced I suspect but a price reduction is still better than none).

But seemingly they are wanting Nvidia to charge more,by justifying the extra pricing during a global recession. Something seems off.

The RX7900 series isn't cheap but still compared to what Nvidia is doing,its better than nothing.It is the same with certain Apple fans who keep dunking on Android/Google/Windows/Microsoft and more or less blaming them for "having" to buy Apple when they jack up pricing.

OFC,they don't question why Nvidia has tried pricing the RTX4060 at $900,the RTX4070 at $1200,etc and why JHH said he wanted to keep Ampere pricing high(IIRC,this was said during an earnings call but I could be wrong here). AMD literally is launching at RTX3080TI street pricing and below an RTX3090.

If Nvidia priced the RTX4060 and RTX4070 closer to Ampere RRP,reduced Ampere dGPU street prices and actually made an RTX4080 based on the AD102,AMD would have been forced to drop pricing on the RX7900 series. AMD hasn't had to do much to win the value argument against Nvidia(still undercutting their US RRPs by 100s of USD).

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

If the XTX was competetive

So because the XTX, at 60% of the price of the 4090, isn’t beating the 4090, AMD sux? Am I reading you right?

I’m not an AMD fanboy, I’m a tech nerd, interested in market competition and tech advances. I like that intel are entering the market, and this looks like it really sticks the boot in to the mid-high end (non-halo) market, something to be celebrated. Just like arrival of Arc.

AMD might not be pricing as much as they can - they may be going for a market grab. We know that nvidia are trying to sell off a glut of ampere and restrict the flow of ada to market so they can keep their prices (and margins) high, fingers crossed they can’t in the face of this sort of competition. That’s what a functioning market is about.

 

[RavenXXX2]

lol market grab at 1K.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

More like a low rent reply.
No it doesnt burn the house down. I and the vast majority have had no issues with the power connector.
When you add in DLSS (way better than FSR), frame generation (works well for me) and vastly superior RTX, the 4090 is way better.
If the XTX was competetive, wouldnt AMD have shown some comparisons to the 4090 and priced the XTX accordingly?
AMD (like) all companies will price as much as they can.

DLSS is better but I have not seen any comparison say way better. RT on Nvidia is superior but doesn't look to be far superior either.

The 4080 will cost more than the 7900XTX and you think it should be better than the 4090?

 

[Hedge]

Go onto Rightmove, put a search filter of 100-170k houses within a few mile radius. Look at the 170k ones. Then look at the 100k ones...

Then contact the people asking 100k and ask them whytf they think they can ask for 100k when they don't have off street parking, a garden and an en suite.

 

[Shaz12]

So why did they add it in the last 3? What's the problem with adding cutting edge graphics that you can easily disable on a AAA game?

Basically this statement says that any game that is competitive shouldn't bother adding new graphics effects cause they affect fps.

Maybe because they got data that not many were using those effects? They also have to develop for the lower common denominator PCs to keep the playing field level for all players. Its also development time spent implementing a feature which many are disabling. In a COD game, almost the entire lobby dies and respawns within the first few minutes of a game, that's how fast paced it is. Turning it on is pointless because you won't notice the difference when you are moving so fast. Not just ray tracing, the HDR implementation in COD games is also really horrible. I see raised blacks on my display and can't even use Special K injection as it will get me banned.

RT only makes sense in slower paced single player games where you can soak in the environment.

£1k *is* a high price for this hobby. You seem to want AMD to release a super-halo product for an unlimited budget, when most folks on (and off) this forum have been crying out for years about the rocketing prices. You’re a niche within a niche.

I agree with this. That's what I wanted but sadly did not get.

 

[HRL]

The backwards and forwards over who’s best performance and who’s best for value will continue but all points are moot until we see the U.K. pricing.

The $ price looks good but I’m not convinced that’s going to translate into good £ pricing if we’re limited to AIB only in the U.K. again.

The 6900 variants weren’t cheap when they launched AIB, least not for quite some time.

EDIT: TBH, if the U.K. pricing was going to be fantastic, don’t you think Gibbo would have been in here teasing us by now?

 

[Troezar]

lol market grab at 1K.

We're living in clown world now, a grand is chump change