Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Parsley]

I wouldn't negotiate and I'm an idiot who trusts easily. Negotiating anything and expecting it to be honoured is a fools' errand. It has been proven repeatedly in Russia that leadership lie brazenly enough to make anyone blush. A treaty from Russia is worth as much as you can trust them to keep to it. So... nothing then.

 

[Begbie]

To state once again:

I am saying that they need to negotiate, to stop the killing.

No one here has come up with any other idea other than "keep killing and hope for the best".

And I'm the bad guy, Ok.

Your absolute crazy ideas are not welcome here!

 

[StriderX]

It's like making an agreement with a loanshark to cut the amount owed... they will just cut your leg off instead.

 

[Rroff]

To state once again:

I am saying that they need to negotiate, to stop the killing.

No one here has come up with any other idea other than "keep killing and hope for the best".

And I'm the bad guy, Ok.

How do you negotiate with a regime which has repeatedly told bare faced lies and acted in bad faith using negotiations to try and game the situation on the Battlefield?

 

[HungryHippos]

The killing stops when Russia leaves, so I suggest you go to overclockers.ru instead and ask them to stop killing Ukrainians

 

[Shamikebab]

To state once again:

I am saying that they need to negotiate, to stop the killing.

No one here has come up with any other idea other than "keep killing and hope for the best".

And I'm the bad guy, Ok.

You haven't said that at all. You've said Ukraine should stop fighting back and let Russia kill and rape as many of them as they want.


Yes, you're the bad guy. Probably the first correct thing you've said since you logged onto your alt account walked into this thread

 

[Harlequin]

I wonder when Ukraine can invade Moscow?

In other news:

 

[Concrete]

You haven't said that at all. You've said Ukraine should stop fighting back and let Russia kill and rape as many of them as they want.


Yes, you're the bad guy. Probably the first correct thing you've said since you logged onto your alt account walked into this thread

I haven't said that though have I?

It must be weird to be so caught up in a make believe world of good guys and bad guys but I guess it must help you to exist in such a simplistic if fabricated existence, so you do you!

 

[Shamikebab]

I haven't said that though have I?

It must be weird to be so caught up in a make believe world of good guys and bad guys but I guess it must help you to exist in such a simplistic if fabricated existence, so you do you!

You've got two options.

1. Ukraine fight back
2. Ukraine don't and let Russia do what they want

You don't want 1 and we've see what Russia have done in the areas they previously took. So yes you are saying that. There is no imaginary third option that you seem to be claiming.

 

[Dis86]

So now what? Any time a country is invaded by another they should just roll over and take it? Genius idea.

So just to check Concrete, no response to this. I feel your following statement is particularly pertinent in summing you up

Ok, so lots of talk

I'm going to come over later and take your TV, might even bang your Mrs if she's a looker. Mind you don't retaliate though as you want to stop any bloodshed remember.

 

[Stretch]

Ok, so lots of talk but still no plan about how to achieve anything at all, 537 pages and I thought you guys would have come up with something other than "get rid of anyone who disagrees with us".

Putin in a danger to the world. Where is the compromise to be had?

 

[ChrisLX200]

I've already commented on personal attacks, but for what its worth, you aren't the opinion police, you are just a tiny little authoritarian who should be in bed by now

Personal attack? You did say you were going to leave right? And I did say something told me you wouldn't right? Well you didn't leave because you are just a Vatnik troll. I'm done with you and I hope a mod deletes your ass.

 

[NickK]

We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That it would have best had Russia not invaded.
That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.

But here we are, in this situation. Russias invasion (lets be honest, that's what it was) failed pretty spectacularly, they have adapted much like the Ukrainians did with the introduction of Himars. The Russians will continue to bombard infrastructure until Ukraine capitulates or until they no longer have sufficient SAM coverage, which will pave the way for them to use their very much still powerful air force to escalate until capitulation.

Either scenario is going to result in massive casualties and Russian control, does anyone have any realistic solutions that don't degenerate into WW3?

It would have been better for everyone if russia didnt invade and traded with everyone..

The best outcome is russia gtfo, hand over war criminals and remain defensive within their borders.
It would better still if they paid for the rebuilding of ukraine caused by their initiated war.

 

[Brazo]

Ok, so lots of talk but still no plan about how to achieve anything at all, 537 pages and I thought you guys would have come up with something other than "get rid of anyone who disagrees with us".

It’s not really for a computer forum to formulate a plan. Especially when the current Ukrainian one is working so well!

 

[Mr Jack]

We are kind of going in circles here, I think we can all agree:

That it would have best had Russia not invaded.
That the current best outcome would be the immediate cessation of hostilities.

Nope. Right now, Ukraine is slowly driving Russia out of their occupied lands. Cessation of hostilities means surrender to Putin's fascism.

The Russians will continue to bombard infrastructure until Ukraine capitulates or until they no longer have sufficient SAM coverage, which will pave the way for them to use their very much still powerful air force to escalate until capitulation.

There's no realistic prospect of this happening.

Either scenario is going to result in massive casualties and Russian control, does anyone have any realistic solutions that don't degenerate into WW3?

Nope, Russia is losing. Ukraine may not be able to achieve total victory but they can reclaim much more of their country. All it needs is for the West not to wuss out.

What we (the collective West) should be doing is officially entering the war on Ukraine's side but we won't so it grinds slowly on until Russia loses.

 

[NickK]

Ok so just to confirm, nuclear annihilation if that's what it takes is the prevailing opinion here.

I'm going to back out slowly and hope to god that none of you ever get into positions that involve diplomacy!

The annihilation works both ways.

In theory you can have traditional war between sides where they sit threatening nuclear. War is extension of negotiation so it’s as analogue rather than digital.

 

[bingham67]

Need to start striking military sites within Russia I feel this will push Russia to the negotiation table, people won't like missiles landing on doorstep.

Should be sending all that we have end of the day it's fight fire with fire now, really need to blow up these launch sites that they use to launch missiles at the very least.

 

[Grim5]

Leaked FSB documents show Russia was in the planning stages of carrying out an invasion and annexing of some northern Japanese islands; before Putin pivoted and went into Ukraine. And the public reasons for such an invasion was to be the same: claim the Japanese are developing American bio lab weapons to use on Russia and claim Japan is run by facist nazi government

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

 

[StriderX]

Sounds like disinformation to me as Japan would have pushed their **** all the way in.

 

[Custor]

Was there anything new on the Kinburn Spit story?
PR raid, ongoing raids, a real battle, something else?