AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[BRIGGBOY81]

I upgraded from a 2070 super to a 3080fe but if I hadn’t I reckon I’d have gone for a 6900xt for £650 now. Doubt there will be much in the new generations as fast at the same price. Plus some cachet about having the best of a generation vs a mid ranger (if the mid rangers ever appear). The fast cards now are far too expensive to be realistic too.

yeah i would have been all over the asrock one on offer here if there had been a waterblock for it. i was thinking of the 7800 or 7800xt

 

[pete910]

We don't speak of it!!!!!!

I do !

 

[humbug]

still on a 2070s here to. which one of the range have you got your eyes on?

1070 was an MSI Gaming X, great card, the 2070 Super is again. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/msi-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x.b7142

If i find something i like and trust i tend to stick with it so.... its likely to be another MSI Gaming X.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I do !

The shame of him.. the shame!!!

 

[humbug]

@BRIGGBOY81 or do you mean which SKU? I don't know, hopfully the RX 7700XT,

 

[kieran_read]

After Vega, which admittedly was not a great GPU, AMD did wonder why they bothered with Gaming GPU's, its why we had that Polaris period, small cheap very mid range GPU's, good GPU's for what they were that didn't cost much to make or design.
It was a period where we thought we might never see AMD in the high end again.

They have given themselves another chance, obviously, but they do need to grow it to justify it because you can't keep subsidising R&D from profitable segments, which is what they did to R&D RDNA2 and RDNA3, it needs to stand on its own feet.

The thing is for AMD the biggest threat to AMD isn't Nvidia it's AMD how many times in the last few generations has Nvidia given AMD an open goal and they've just gone... "nah gonna stop playing now" it's insane.
AMD have ALWAYS been incredibly competative at the mid/low range and they could easily demolish Nvidia and go for market share which would help in the future, instead they just let Nvidia have a free ride.

The 7900xtx seems to be the first card in ages where AMD seem to be going for the jugular like a hungry lion, if they pull it off it will be huge.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I dunno, I understand what your posting, however the reaction from the regulars seems to be luke warm at best for the 7900XTX. I mean a large proportion of them will be sceptical and comfortably dancing with nvidia most generations so generally the only time AMD get a look in is if they are close but a lot cheaper regarding the tiers. Most also seem to depict that £1000 for a card is still a lot and for various reasons still seem to stand off from the current offerings.

What makes you think they are going for the jugular?

 

[RavenXXX2]

7900xtx going for the Jugular at over a grand...

 

[kieran_read]

I dunno, I understand what your posting, however the reaction from the regulars seems to be luke warm at best for the 7900XTX. I mean a large proportion of them will be sceptical and comfortably dancing with nvidia most generations so generally the only time AMD get a look in is if they are close but a lot cheaper regarding the tiers. Most also seem to depict that £1000 for a card is still a lot and for various reasons still seem to stand off from the current offerings.

What makes you think they are going for the jugular?

Because if AMDs 7900xtx performace is as expected they will destroy they 4080 in pure rast by a comfortable margin getting close to the 4090. It's a very aggressive card potentially significantly faster and cheaper.

Reviews will determin this of course.

It seams AMDs strategy is rather than go after the halo casrd which only 5% will buy, they will go for tier before the halo cards where 20% will buy.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah I guess, I was drowned out by the plethora of posts about how AMD are so evil because they moved their tier up one and are just as bad..

Ultrakill move would be after nvidia's predictable price cut when the 7900's launch to save what face is left of them with the 4080 and 4070Ti, AMD counter with a similar move knowing nvidia cant drop any lower with their moore's law is dead and expensive commitments.

 

[stooeh]

If they are selling all the cards they can make there will be no reason to drop the prices, let's see what the supply situation is like first.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I dunno, I understand what your posting, however the reaction from the regulars seems to be luke warm at best for the 7900XTX. I mean a large proportion of them will be sceptical and comfortably dancing with nvidia most generations so generally the only time AMD get a look in is if they are close but a lot cheaper regarding the tiers. Most also seem to depict that £1000 for a card is still a lot and for various reasons still seem to stand off from the current offerings.

What makes you think they are going for the jugular?

Maybe they are going for a love bite instead

On a more serious note, while this isn’t some sure fire kill shot it is going to sting Nvidia significantly.

 

[kieran_read]

Yeah I guess, I was drowned out by the plethora of posts about how AMD are so evil because they moved their tier up one and are just as bad..

Ultrakill move would be after nvidia's predictable price cut when the 7900's launch to save what face is left of them with the 4080 and 4070Ti, AMD counter with a similar move knowing nvidia cant drop any lower with their moore's law is dead and expensive commitments.

I would argue that about the 7900XT but not the XTX, the XTX seams reasonable compared to last gen, the 7900XT with cut down cores etc should be a 7800 theres no denying that.

But exluding RT and DLSS which i would argue most people don't care about the 7900XTX has the potential to be extremly close to the 4090 rasta wise at such a significant price difference. Of course this depends on the accuracy of AMDs slides as that's what i'm basing the estimate speed with. If it performs as I expect it to, i do think it will sell out, at least faster than the 4090 did.

 

[kieran_read]

Maybe they are going for a love bite instead

On a more serious note, while this isn’t some sure fire kill shot it is going to sting Nvidia significantly.

Agreed but the bread and butter lies at the middle/bottom stack. Regardless of how we like the high tier they are not the big sellers.

Now if a 7900XTX beats the 4080 by a significant margin at a significant price reduction how will the 7800 compare against the 4070? the 7700 against the 4060 etc.

This is what i mean by going for the jugular, based on the 7900xtx vs the 4080 alone AMD have set themselves up to win big time at each tier, however like i said above the biggest threat to AMD is AMD and they could royally mess this up, and not score in the open goal.

In an unrelated note, the debate about how the 7900xtx should be against the 4090 and AMD just changed names is pointless semantics, competition is based on price not the name of a product. It's a bold move on AMD to just ignore Nvidias halo products, what's the point anyway? those people are going to buy Nvidia anyway and never buy AMD we have seen such evidiance of that on this forum alone with goalposts being moved to suit their argument. At the lower tiers those goalpost movements of RT and DLSS don't matter because they will be useless.

 

[gpuerrilla]

If they are selling all the cards they can make there will be no reason to drop the prices, let's see what the supply situation is like first.

My only disagreement with this is people that are on cards like 3080's already, a £1100 AMD card for a small % gain isnt worth it. When this will cause a stir will be the same adjustment in prices around the time when last gen AMD dropped the 6900 price from ~1200 to where its at now ~650.

 

[Steampunk]

People have to remember that AMD is playing the long game with GPUs, just as they did for CPU's previously. 7000 series is a proof of concept for chiplets in GPUs. The high yields (and therefore high profit margins) are going to provide another war chest to continue development down that path. 7000 series is just the first step down a road that Nvidia cannot currently follow, and it's only going to get worse with RDNA 4 and 5.

 

[theforce]

I am waiting for the successor of the Radeon 6600 to replace my ageing Radeon 570. Hopefully we will get more information soon about the release dates of lower tier cards.

 

[pete910]

My only disagreement with this is people that are on cards like 3080's already, a £1100 AMD card for a small % gain isnt worth it. When this will cause a stir will be the same adjustment in prices around the time when last gen AMD dropped the 6900 price from ~1200 to where its at now ~650.

if the AMD card is supposedly near 4090 raster how is it a small gain to the 3080 ?

 

[gpuerrilla]

if the AMD card is supposedly near 4090 raster how is it a small gain to the 3080 ?

The typical user I am led to believe is always going to compare it in ray tracing. There is also the price element so if you look back this person has maybe shelled out 7 or 800 pounds recently so an £1100 price will make demands higher.

 

[Joxeon]

Because if AMDs 7900xtx performace is as expected they will destroy they 4080 in pure rast by a comfortable margin getting close to the 4090. It's a very aggressive card potentially significantly faster and cheaper.

Reviews will determin this of course.

It seams AMDs strategy is rather than go after the halo casrd which only 5% will buy, they will go for tier before the halo cards where 20% will buy.

Realistically though all nvidia have to do is cut the 4080 to $900 and its AMD that will in trouble since the 7900XT matches the 4080 in raster and loses in RT.

If AMD really wanted to go for the jugular then they should have released the 7900XT as a 7800XT and priced it at $650.