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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

ICDP said:
I managed to get a 3080FE at MSRP a few months after they were released. I refused to pay massively scalped prices but was OK with the deals OCUK did on here for forum members with a 6700XT at £70 over MSRP (thanks OCUK).

So I don't mind paying a bit over the odds but these new pre-scalped prices leave me at the prospect of a £700 GPU that gives barely 20% perf increase on my 3080FE.

So the smart plan would be to wait until the 7900 XTX is EOL in a few years. I will need to see how the 3080 holds up at 4K with newer games and see what my options are.
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time to downgrade to a 1440p panel :)
 
ICDP said:
I managed to get a 3080FE at MSRP a few months after they were released. I refused to pay massively scalped prices but was OK with the deals OCUK did on here for forum members with a 6700XT at £70 over MSRP (thanks OCUK).

So I don't mind paying a bit over the odds but these new pre-scalped prices leave me at the prospect of a £700 GPU that gives barely 20% perf increase on my 3080FE.

So the smart plan would be to wait until the 7900 XTX is EOL in a few years. I will need to see how the 3080 holds up at 4K with newer games and see what my options are.
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Yeah if you're at 4k it would be more of a concern given it could be upto 2 years before you look at getting an upgrade to an EOL card but if it holds up and you don't mind dropping a few settings to compensate its honestly worth it. Looking at how ocuk dropped the 6900xt to sub 700 and even less is a pretty good sign of things to come in the future. Okay 6000 and 3000 series cards were overstocked in the end but if the trend continues i imagine there would be quite bit of surplus come EOL time too.
 
Jay85 said:
I know it sounds bad but hear me out.. if you really want a bargain and don't wanna pay these prices or face the fact that you will probably get stiffed by both teams, wait until these cards go EOL and upgrade then. I think a lot of people do this and stay 1 generation behind and upgrade on the cheap. Like the few who have managed to grab 3090's at sub 800.

I think going forward this maybe the only way, you would avoid a lot of things including scalpers and scalping retailers. Not to mention if the card fails during its warranty period you would also get a free upgrade to whatever equivalent of the current generation is which would be a win!
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I think the important thing here is we have to all get out of the mindset of "an exciting upgrade every few years". The miners first ruined everything some years ago. Gamers keep on hoping things will improve but I think we can safely say now that it just isn't going to happen. If it's not miners, it's scalpers or greedy companies. We really do need to individually and realistically consider the options. You suggest one good plan. I'm going to downgrade to 1440p within the next few weeks. That relieves the pressure to constantly upgrade and after I will wait and see.
 
Jay85 said:
That is a big OOF!
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After Vega, which admittedly was not a great GPU, AMD did wonder why they bothered with Gaming GPU's, its why we had that Polaris period, small cheap very mid range GPU's, good GPU's for what they were that didn't cost much to make or design.
It was a period where we thought we might never see AMD in the high end again.

They have given themselves another chance, obviously, but they do need to grow it to justify it because you can't keep subsidising R&D from profitable segments, which is what they did to R&D RDNA2 and RDNA3, it needs to stand on its own feet.
 
There is also expectation that AMD have to go toe to toe with nvidia at the high end. If they are unable to stretch themselves or its not worth the investment then they should focus on strong mid range that is a good chunk cheaper than nvidia. The larger pool of gamers is not in the high end by the looks of it, we also know that even if AMD were neck and neck with nvidia at each sku segment people will still buy green.
 
gpuerrilla said:
There is also expectation that AMD have to go toe to toe with nvidia at the high end. If they are unable to stretch themselves or its not worth the investment then they should focus on strong mid range that is a good chunk cheaper than nvidia. The larger pool of gamers is not in the high end by the looks of it, we also know that even if AMD were neck and neck with nvidia at each sku segment people will still buy green.
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Yes exactly.

And there would come a point where AMD will decide not to subsidise GPU development because that money would be better spent elsewhere, Radeon needs to support its own R&D costs in going toe to toe with Nvidia, if not they will simply cut out the cancer.
 
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humbug said:
Yes exactly.

And there would come a point where AMD will decide not to subsidise GPU development because that money would be better spent elsewhere, Radeon needs to support its own R&D costs in going toe to toe with Nvidia, if not they will simply cut out the cancer.
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You need to consider that AMD also develop GPUs for use in consoles and that is quite a lucrative market.
 
gpuerrilla said:
They should probably resort to an intel approach and settle on the lower side of performance in the GPU section but consistently hit quality for price. The best thing AMD can do is bundle systems to attract an all brand solution and invest the software arm of it into the features like SAM and smartshift to boost.
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Intel are fast learning just how difficult it actually is to design GPU's, i hope they stick at it but they too are a business and if its costing you money instead of making you money you make some very cold and brutal decisions about that, its £450 and slower than a £310 GPU from AMD, not because they are greedy or arrogant, its BOM costs are just that much higher, the RX 6650XT is a much smaller, much more efficient GPU, they have no hope of ever getting the $3 Billion R&D they spent on it to date back, that's gone.... might as well have burned it for heating, they would have gotten more value out of it.

You're right. AMD have been making X86 CPU's and GPU's since 2008, their first that was not a re-spun ATI card was the HD 4870. Damned good card it was too. its a bit perplexing that they still apparently haven't found a way to exploit that, like pairing your AMD CPU with your AMD GPU and suddenly everything gets turned up to 150%, surely they could create their own extension IP where the CPU and GPU work together to make everything better....
 
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humbug said:
My last few GPU's

GTX 970. Good GPU and great value
GTX 1070. also a great GPU, i liked it a lot, quite a hike in price from the 970 tho, from a value perspective it was still quite good, it was very much stronger than the 970 and had 8GB of VRam.
RTX 2070 Super, another chunky hike in price but again also a solid chunk higher performance, still ok from a value perspective, as for RT its one up from useless on this card.
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RTX 3070, didn't buy it. Same price as the 2070 Super but the raster performance is also not a great deal better, its minimal from what you would expect, around 25% gen to gen, this is when Nvidia started pushing RT as the thing you're supposed to be paying for, not interested, its far too early for RT to replace raster performance.
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Seriously, Again you keep missing one out :rolleyes:

I think a Don should place the following in your sig and make it so you can't remove it!

" Yes I DID have a 5700XT after the GTX970"

:p
 
humbug said:
Oof...

AMD's expected revenue for 2022 is $24 Billion, so 8% of that would be 1.92 Billion from GPU's.
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Not sure how they segmented revenue like that given how AMD publicly reports it's financials. For example Data Centre alone is worth around 25% of total revenue which will be a mix EYPC and CDNA, the rest of AMD's iscrete is in Client revenue which again is a mix of mostly Ryzen and Radeon products. I guess you could try and aggerated an average based on Amazon sales data and hardware Steam surveys but that would be a best guess.
 
A decent mid ranger from AMD that is available and at an attractive price would do it for them and also transform their reputation. Nothing wrong with the 6xxx generation but they were so rare and when they did appear were at prices which were ridiculous compared to the nvidia equivalent (which were ridiculous too) 6700xt for example was totally unattractive for most of the time because of that. They also didn’t release semi affordable mid rangers till too late in the cycle.
 
BRIGGBOY81 said:
still on a 2070s here to. which one of the range have you got your eyes on?
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I upgraded from a 2070 super to a 3080fe but if I hadn’t I reckon I’d have gone for a 6900xt for £650 now. Doubt there will be much in the new generations as fast at the same price. Plus some cachet about having the best of a generation vs a mid ranger (if the mid rangers ever appear). The fast cards now are far too expensive to be realistic too.
 
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