NHS=Negligent Health Service

Well you just had a GP on 5live defending rishis choice of using private care. Surprise surprise when asked, that she only does 1/3 of her work in the NHS and 2/3 private
A GP at my former practice also did dermatology at a private hospital. My dad, who worked at an employer with free private health care, had a couple of lesions removed above his eyebrow. When Dad saw him, he said I’m a seeing things or have a twin brother as a GP?
 
My pharmacy has a blood pressure monitor. Never used it.

Last year, had to submit my bp to get some more medication. The week before I had one of my colonoscopies and my Bp was fairly consistent throughout the procedure. Submitted one I remembered
 
That's not how it works at all, since the Affordable Care Act became the law of the land health insurance companies can't exclude coverage for pre-existing conditions, refuse you coverage or charge you higher premiums. Most people get insurance through their job and in my experience they charge everybody the same - my policy just adds a supplement if you smoke but nothing else. Standalone insurance through the exchanges does get more expensive as you get older (although there is a cap on the premium difference) but Medicare takes over at 65.

Hence why I said "I imagine". I have no idea about american healthcare beyond the fact the system over there is ******* awful if you aren't wealthy or in a good job with good healthcare.
 
Posts that start "I imagine" or "I'm not sure, but" should autocorrect to "I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, but I'll say something anyway".
 
How long does it take for hospitals to be informed of a death?

Colleague’s FIL died first week in Dec, at home. Her husband got through the post yesterday, a letter dated 20th Dec for an appointment end of this month.

Deaths in the community are nothing to do with the hospital.
If they died in hospital their records get changed immediately but there's been dozens of cases I've worked on where patients are alive on Trust systems and then you realise they died in the community.
I've informed Health Records many times that the online records need changing.
You would think the GP systems would tie in with Trust systems but they don't.

It would be interesting to see if my Mum is RIP on our systems because she died at home but I'm not allowed.
I reckon she's still living.
 
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Re the deaths in the community.

When my mother died a few years back one of the things the register could do (it required you to opt in) was to notify pretty much everyone automatically when you signed the forms and collected the death certificates.
I can't remember the full list of who they notified but I'm fairly sure it included the likes of the hospital as well as the local authority and collecting things like the bus pass and blue badge at the same time.
 
I would love to see unadulterated figures for GP face to face appointments with their patients, pre and post the virus. They refused the government such statistics and should have been forced to submit them or have their salaries chopped. In fact they need their salaries chopping anyway, they are having a laugh. Most of this **** is political as the proper old school GP's have ben replaced by agitators and the work shy. (I can hear the screams now, but when did a GP last do a house call at 10.00 PM, which was common pre Labour's interference). People shouldn't hold them in such awe and esteem, times and work ethics have changed and the blame is far from 100% the government's fault.
You are not very clued up are you? or do you have an agenda? anyway if the salaries are so goood why there is a shortage of doctors? I mean why don't all the medical graduates queue up for the gravy train ? Why don't you? I mean come on , short working days , no on calls, golf lessons free at lunchtime on Wednesday..etc

My GP is now face 2 face at practice unless covid related or housebound (permanent and temporary)

Shame on those GP practices that still only do consultations over phone or camera!
Same with my GP surgery but the best reviewed surgery in our area is the one that offers telephone review first.. they have the best google reviews from the region . Go figure, it appears that the F2F group are a small but vocal minority... I do prefer telephone sometime rather than taking half day of work to see a GP
 
Interesting to see the breakdown of deaths that occurred during weekends and after 5/6pm on weekdays. As one late relative said you aren’t allowed to fall ill evenings, weekends and holidays!
 
Deaths in the community are nothing to do with the hospital.
If they died in hospital their records get changed immediately but there's been dozens of cases I've worked on where patients are alive on Trust systems and then you realise they died in the community.
I've informed Health Records many times that the online records need changing.
You would think the GP systems would tie in with Trust systems but they don't.

It would be interesting to see if my Mum is RIP on our systems because she died at home but I'm not allowed.
I reckon she's still living.
Indeed. I moved a deceased patient from AMU to the mortuary yesterday, and not long after I'd got back up to the ward the bereavement office had updated the patients records.
 
You are not very clued up are you? or do you have an agenda? anyway if the salaries are so goood why there is a shortage of doctors? I mean why don't all the medical graduates queue up for the gravy train ? Why don't you? I mean come on , short working days , no on calls, golf lessons free at lunchtime on Wednesday..etc


Same with my GP surgery but the best reviewed surgery in our area is the one that offers telephone review first.. they have the best google reviews from the region . Go figure, it appears that the F2F group are a small but vocal minority... I do prefer telephone sometime rather than taking half day of work to see a GP

There is a shortage of doctors because there are limited means to become one. There are limited university places available. These places have been shown to have a bias to students from private education establishments. To train as a doctor if you have already had university funding will cost you about £125k for fees and living costs. This massively limits those that can afford to do it.
 
There is a shortage of doctors because there are limited means to become one. There are limited university places available. These places have been shown to have a bias to students from private education establishments. To train as a doctor if you have already had university funding will cost you about £125k for fees and living costs. This massively limits those that can afford to do it.
Not quite true.
Yes there is a shortage of doctors and yest there are limited places and the competition is quite fierce. More universities will be needed but also more GP practices/ Hospitals placements needed for student to go in the where the students can attend their respective modules

It is absolutely incorrect to say that they have a bias towards private schools. In Manchester medical school for example only 20% have come from private schools and to make it plain field on the admission panel there is an adjustment factor for the students from state school and those from disadvantaged background increasing their marks. ( call it social engineering/ justice, whatever you like)

So you are wrong to say the fees are the limiting factor, the fees are the limits when you have gone through university , qualified as a doctor with 125k or more debt and start working for 29,384 per year. This is the bottleneck and the reason many move away from medicine after graduation or emigrate and this is whey they will strike soon
 
Not quite true.
Yes there is a shortage of doctors and yest there are limited places and the competition is quite fierce. More universities will be needed but also more GP practices/ Hospitals placements needed for student to go in the where the students can attend their respective modules

It is absolutely incorrect to say that they have a bias towards private schools. In Manchester medical school for example only 20% have come from private schools and to make it plain field on the admission panel there is an adjustment factor for the students from state school and those from disadvantaged background increasing their marks. ( call it social engineering/ justice, whatever you like)

So you are wrong to say the fees are the limiting factor, the fees are the limits when you have gone through university , qualified as a doctor with 125k or more debt and start working for 29,384 per year. This is the bottleneck and the reason many move away from medicine after graduation or emigrate and this is whey they will strike soon

No. There's a massive difference in paying back student loans and having to find that cash up front. Especially when you already have existing loans.

There are other universities than just Manchester.
 
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No. There's a massive difference in paying back student loans and having to find that cash up front. Especially when you already have existing loans.

There are other universities than just Manchester.
You are not making sense - if you apply for student loan you do not need cash up front ? can you be a bit clearer what do you mean ?
Off course there are other Universities , I work with Manchester university medical students and I have knowledge about the situation there. Can you gives us example of other medical schools in UK where students from private school background are present in higher percentages compared to state school? - I hope you are not in the group of users that do not let facts undermine a rather good argument:D
 
You are not making sense - if you apply for student loan you do not need cash up front ? can you be a bit clearer what do you mean ?
Off course there are other Universities , I work with Manchester university medical students and I have knowledge about the situation there. Can you gives us example of other medical schools in UK where students from private school background are present in higher percentages compared to state school? - I hope you are not in the group of users that do not let facts undermine a rather good argument:D


Massive over representation. You cannot apply for a student loan if you've already had one. You should know this.
 
You are not very clued up are you? or do you have an agenda? anyway if the salaries are so goood why there is a shortage of doctors? I mean why don't all the medical graduates queue up for the gravy train ? Why don't you? I mean come on , short working days , no on calls, golf lessons free at lunchtime on Wednesday..etc

Err, because they are paid so much they can afford to work part time and retire early? He was talkiing about GP's
 
People not wanting to work full time is nothing to do with being paid too much. It’s a job that very few have the energy to do “full time” anymore. In the past I used to do 9 clinical sessions, but these days I’m at work for a similar amount of time doing 7 sessions.

The job is pretty miserable these days, but that’s the same for most jobs in medicine currently. At its best it’s an amazing job, but at its worst it is probably one of the most horrible stressful jobs going.
 
Also I really don’t know any practices that haven’t been seeing face to face for at least a year or more for most. There has persisted this trope that practices have been closed and do all by phone, and it just isn’t true. People misunderstand the concept of triage . I’ll accept perhaps there are some bad places around, but it is far from the normal, and non in my locality are working like that. not being able to get appointments currently is overall demand not about can you be seen FTF or not . We’ve had no restriction on FTF for more than 12m now. Even respiratory symptoms we see you but ask you wear a mask, and I’ll be wearing one too.

I probably have a higher amount of tel calls than pre-pandemic but that is the patients choice these days. I’d rather see things FTF, I get absolutely zero benefit from a tel call, it still takes as much of my time, but much can be done in phone and if it can patients prefer it.
 
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Secondly they have not increase the Primary care budget, the people who voted them in 2010 now are 12 years older with multiple co-morbidities . The Gov still allocates to your GP surgery between 120-140£ per year for ALL your medical care - unlimited appointments/ blood tests/ consultations. Etc. All other extra fundings have been directed to other allied organisations in community such as PCN/ HUBs..etc that is why sometimes when one calls his/her surgery they are directed there instead of an appointment with GP - this is where the government invested

The latter of this second point is incredibly important for people to understand. We see plenty of headlines that people can't get to see a GP but this has been done intentionally by the powers that be and the government of the last 12 years. This isn't what the vast majority of GP partners or practices want. We as GPs want to patients to be seen by the most appropriate person and in most cases, with an aging population with polypharmacy this will be a GP. Someone with a medical degree, years of experience ranging from care of the elderly to paediatrics, who can manage your medication, referrals and understands when escalation and referral is needed.

Unfortunately, the funding to core primary care services hasnt increased. The money has gone towards hiring allied health professions under the Additional Roles Reimbursement Scheme (ARRS). These are PCN diecticians, paramedics, social prescribers, mental health practitioners and pharmacists. The funding isn't there to hire additional doctors. As someone who has to supervise these additional roles at times (though with no other vested interest eg GP partner) I can tell you they are pretty poor value. Sure you can hire two for price of a salaried GP but the doctor can manage a whole lot more, including admin, scripts, referral, medicine management, audits, clinical governance. As an example the MH practitioner appointments are barely 50% utilised, they have 30 minute appointments and can't prescribe. They then will task me to prescribe a medication (which means I'm taking all of the clinical risk) without ever seeing or speaking to them. (Often I refuse) so will end up having to speak to the patient anyway which is 10 minutes which I could have just done in the first place.

Without this increase in funding to hire GPs nothing will improve. The current GPs are overwhelmed with not only their current workloads but then burdened by the extra that being put on them. I've seen situations where patients have ended up seeing several people first before the GP leaving them feeling frustrated and ultimately delaying diagnostic tests and appropriate treatment.

I've been a GP for 4 years and doctor for 14 years and I'm completely disillusioned by the current state of things. A topic for another day perhaps but the career progression for 'newly' qualified GPs is broken. Full of nepotism and back scratching, my area is saturated with new GPs, lack of partnership opportunities, workloads of salarieds GPs means that I, like many will simply locum, do private work and look at Canadia and Australia. Not too much of a rant I hope but cathartic nonetheless.
 
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