NHS=Negligent Health Service

Mum had knee and hip replacement surgeries. On the morning of her going home, she’s told that she’s going at 10am. It’s not until 5pm by the time she gets her discharge notes etc.

As how many times have people had surgery cancelled on the day due to no beds? It’s those like my mum who were in hospital for 7 hours longer than expected. Then this denies someone else having surgery that day.

Not really because she would be waiting for her take home prescriptions and they could have her sitting in a waiting room like I did in Feb last year.
I've never heard of ops cancelled because somebody was waiting to go home.
 
My grandmother had a fall and when admitted to hospital, she was tested for various things. One of them was covid and was tested positive. She stayed in hospital for 5 weeks in total with getting water infections and other infections.

No care package was given and my aunt had to drive 40 mile round trip to collect the various things like perching stool, commode etc.

Had four care visits daily at home. Sometimes the gap between care visits could be 1.5 hours and sometimes as much as 9 hours. She should have never gone home as she was frightened and kept having falls. Plus the carers when they came round, they asked her what she wanted to eat. My grandmother has dementia and can't process open questions. She asked for something like toast and jam and that she got. Lost weight dramatically. If she was asked, would you like A, B or C, she would been able to process this with ease. The carers just ask what they want and not give them a choice.

For ten days after she went into a care home, my aunt and dad got phone calls from care staff asking why she isn't at home - they have a key accessed in a key safe near the front door. Both said she is now at a care home, so please update records so not to visit. Even contacting the carer 'hub' made no difference either. I feel sorry for the carers driving about 5 miles between patients wasting their own petrol etc. My aunt's grand daughter is a mobile nurse who specialises in taking blood tests etc at disabled people's homes and gets the odd visit where the patient isn't there for various reasons, usually at hospital as an inpatient.

Communication needs to be improved vastly.
My gran is 94 with a lot of dementia symptoms. You / your family should either be freezing meals that can be easily microwaved or you can sign up to a service that such as parsley box that provide frozen meals. The carers don’t have time to cook a meal from scratch if you want them to spend anytime with your loved one doing other things / check ups on them. My gran gets something like 3 checks a day from carers in 30 minute time slots. If she sticks to cereal in the morning then then the carer can give her a shower in enough time.
 
We, (the white English in general), have an appalling record of looking after our elderly relatives, even our own parents. It's not something you see such an issue with in the Asian communities, I think you might agree?
I definitely agree, I’ve seen it multiple times first hand, even to the point of having my mum being the sole carer of my now departed Nan, because her sister wanted to live in the country and it was too far to be able to help.

The vast majority of Asian families move their relatives straight in with them if they need care.

The Chinese actually have a law stating that a child must take care of their parents.
 
We, (the white English in general), have an appalling record of looking after our elderly relatives, even our own parents. It's not something you see such an issue with in the Asian communities, I think you might agree?
It’s very common in Asian communities to have 3 or 4 generations living in the same house or next door.

It varies from being overcrowded 8 in a 2 bed terraced to 7 in an 8 bed.

It’s definitely a cultural thing as hardly see Asians in a care home, unless all of their family is abroad
 
My gran is 94 with a lot of dementia symptoms. You / your family should either be freezing meals that can be easily microwaved or you can sign up to a service that such as parsley box that provide frozen meals. The carers don’t have time to cook a meal from scratch if you want them to spend anytime with your loved one doing other things / check ups on them. My gran gets something like 3 checks a day from carers in 30 minute time slots. If she sticks to cereal in the morning then then the carer can give her a shower in enough time.
She’s in a care home. Problem was she has very limited mobility so to go into kitchen to see what’s there.
 
It’s very common in Asian communities to have 3 or 4 generations living in the same house or next door.

It varies from being overcrowded 8 in a 2 bed terraced to 7 in an 8 bed.

It’s definitely a cultural thing as hardly see Asians in a care home, unless all of their family is abroad

Whatever, it's extremely commendable and I salute them.
 
Another story to add to the list

A friends older brother (high 60's) phoned his GP on the 22nd Dec complaining of chest pains. He then collapsed on the 24th, was taken to hospital where they found he had had a heart attack. Luckily they had a bed and he stayed in hospital over Christmas and had a stent operation on the 28th.

A couple of hours before the operation his GP surgery returned his call....
 
Another story to add to the list

A friends older brother (high 60's) phoned his GP on the 22nd Dec complaining of chest pains. He then collapsed on the 24th, was taken to hospital where they found he had had a heart attack. Luckily they had a bed and he stayed in hospital over Christmas and had a stent operation on the 28th.

A couple of hours before the operation his GP surgery returned his call....

Let's be honest, too many factors on this one to query. This isn't a GP or NHS issue to me - sorry.
 
Another story to add to the list

A friends older brother (high 60's) phoned his GP on the 22nd Dec complaining of chest pains. He then collapsed on the 24th, was taken to hospital where they found he had had a heart attack. Luckily they had a bed and he stayed in hospital over Christmas and had a stent operation on the 28th.

A couple of hours before the operation his GP surgery returned his call....

TBF chest pains is go directly to A&E. GPs have no way to diagnose or treat someone who's having a heart attack. I had chest pains and palputations, called 111 who directed me to my GP who then told me this. I'm not sure if I had a heart attack as I later found my first ECG was no performed properly, the nurse must have been inexperienced. The ECG performed a week and a bit later didn't show anything up but I do wonder if that was too late. And cardiac specialists in the house?
 
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Given the state of the NHS and the fact that my employer will pay half my private cover, I think im going to go down that route tbh.

TBF chest pains is go directly to A&E. GPs have no way to diagnose or treat someone who's having a heart attack. I had chest pains and palputations, called 111 who directed me to my GP who then told me this. I'm not sure if I had a heart attack as I later found my first ECG was no performed properly, the nurse must have been inexperienced. The ECG performed a week and a bit later didn't show anything up but I do wonder if that was too late. And cardiac specialists in the house?

An ECG is a poor indicator of heart disease and an imminent heart attack although it can diagnose one post attack. My dad had a clear ECG about a week before having a massive heart attack and a quadruple bypass. There are better indicators of an imminent heart attack, but you’re unlikely to have those procedures on the NHS.
 
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TBF chest pains is go directly to A&E. GPs have no way to diagnose or treat someone who's having a heart attack. I had chest pains and palputations, called 111 who directed me to my GP who then told me this. I'm not sure if I had a heart attack as I later found my first ECG was no performed properly, the nurse must have been inexperienced. The ECG performed a week and a bit later didn't show anything up but I do wonder if that was too late. And cardiac specialists in the house?

Would do that down here in Plymouth current waiting time at Derriford Hospital A E is 64 hrs 43 mins
 
Given the state of the NHS and the fact that my employer will pay half my private cover, I think im going to go down that route tbh.



An ECG is a poor indicator of heart disease and an imminent heart attack although it can diagnose one post attack. My dad had a clear ECG about a week before having a massive heart attack and a quadruple bypass. There are better indicators of an imminent heart attack, but you’re unlikely to have those procedures on the NHS.

Yes I was trying to disagnose what had happened to me. I feel better since starting BP medication. Sorry to hear about your father, I hope he's doing much better now
 
Another story to add to the list

A friends older brother (high 60's) phoned his GP on the 22nd Dec complaining of chest pains. He then collapsed on the 24th, was taken to hospital where they found he had had a heart attack. Luckily they had a bed and he stayed in hospital over Christmas and had a stent operation on the 28th.

A couple of hours before the operation his GP surgery returned his call....
Surely any patient complaining of chest pain is passed straight to 999? GP's are never going to be interested in chest pain unless there is an associated comorbidity. Majority of GP's I deal with will have this advise automated before you even get through to the reception.
 
TBF chest pains is go directly to A&E. GPs have no way to diagnose or treat someone who's having a heart attack. I had chest pains and palputations, called 111 who directed me to my GP who then told me this. I'm not sure if I had a heart attack as I later found my first ECG was no performed properly, the nurse must have been inexperienced. The ECG performed a week and a bit later didn't show anything up but I do wonder if that was too late. And cardiac specialists in the house?
ECG could signify the more serious form of heart attack, Stemi. However for Nstemi's an ECG wouldn't give a definitive answer. If MI is suspected then they would have taken bloods when you arrived and then repeated them a few hours later to look for troponin levels which is a clearer signifier of an acute cardiac event.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
TBF chest pains is go directly to A&E. GPs have no way to diagnose or treat someone who's having a heart attack. I had chest pains and palputations, called 111 who directed me to my GP who then told me this. I'm not sure if I had a heart attack as I later found my first ECG was no performed properly, the nurse must have been inexperienced. The ECG performed a week and a bit later didn't show anything up but I do wonder if that was too late. And cardiac specialists in the house?

Would do that down here in Plymouth current waiting time at Derriford Hospital A E is 64 hrs 43 mins

Sadly that's why so many people are dying at the moment. Our emergency care is no longer with an emergency service time. You just have to hope you get on the conveyor belt in good time and don't need care immediately.
 
I have had a bit of dealings with the NHS over the past few years and I have to confess I do see a huge problem with it, and with the public.

The problem is the public demand 1000% health cover, no matter the cost, and the NHS treat the public like they are doing them a favour. If you go private both the public and the staff attitudes completely change. Suddenly the public are very aware of the cost and remaining inside their budget and the staff bend over backwards to help.

I can't help but think that we need a different way of funding the NHS. I personally favour personal insurance, but we shouldn't leave people with no cover. Basic policies should be provided by the government for people who can't afford decent cover.

Also, whenever we change the system we have to take in to account that some people spent a lifetime paying National Insurance and can't be left out in the cold.
 
I have had a bit of dealings with the NHS over the past few years and I have to confess I do see a huge problem with it, and with the public.

The problem is the public demand 1000% health cover, no matter the cost, and the NHS treat the public like they are doing them a favour. If you go private both the public and the staff attitudes completely change. Suddenly the public are very aware of the cost and remaining inside their budget and the staff bend over backwards to help.

I can't help but think that we need a different way of funding the NHS. I personally favour personal insurance, but we shouldn't leave people with no cover. Basic policies should be provided by the government for people who can't afford decent cover.

Also, whenever we change the system we have to take in to account that some people spent a lifetime paying National Insurance and can't be left out in the cold.

The problem is that as soon as a service is "free" ie. paid by peoples taxes they think that they are entitled to limitless care and there is no personal responsibility because they have paid for it. Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people in this country don't even come close to putting in as much as they take out.

I know that in America they are also fantastically unhealthy but they also have to pay for their healthcare for the most part so thats at least putting the burden of their choices on their own wallet. As someone who makes the effort to eat reasonably well and isn't overweight I find myself with little sympathy for people when they have health issues that are caused by their lifestyle choices. These are the people that are killing the NHS. The ones that are morbidly obese and have all the associated issues that cost a fortune every year in medication and staff time, expensive retrofits to ambulances, beds etc.
 
I know that in America they are also fantastically unhealthy but they also have to pay for their healthcare for the most part so thats at least putting the burden of their choices on their own wallet. As someone who makes the effort to eat reasonably well and isn't overweight I find myself with little sympathy for people when they have health issues that are caused by their lifestyle choices. These are the people that are killing the NHS. The ones that are morbidly obese and have all the associated issues that cost a fortune every year in medication and staff time, expensive retrofits to ambulances, beds etc.

Does BMI get factored into health insurance costs in America? Or is the average person paying increased premiums for the overweight? While we are not to the same excess in this country, far too few incorporate physical activity into their daily schedule in this country and this puts a burden onto the NHS.
 
Does BMI get factored into health insurance costs in America? Or is the average person paying increased premiums for the overweight? While we are not to the same excess in this country, far too few incorporate physical activity into their daily schedule in this country and this puts a burden onto the NHS.

I'm not sure honestly. I do know that some of them will provide their "clients" with apple watches and other things to try and help them stay fit / track their health. I would imagine its much like pet insurance. They won't treat you for pre-existing conditions on a new policy and if your general health/age is in the danger zone cover will be more expensive.

I would love for the NHS to stay "free" for all but it simply can't and its our own fault. Peoples health in this country is a joke in general and we are far too scared to tell them its their own ******* fault.
 
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