Pentagon releases UFO footage

[MoNkeE]

Could any ship, AI or otherwise, really travel for 4,000 years? Assuming they could reach the speed of light.

The only conceivable way alien (or non-human) craft have managed to reach Earth is with faster-than-light travel. And if they’ve managed that, they are FAR too advanced to only manage it sporadically, or worse, crash their ship on our planet!

 

[Tony Edwards]

Could any ship, AI or otherwise, really travel for 4,000 years? Assuming they could reach the speed of light.

The only conceivable way alien (or non-human) craft have managed to reach Earth is with faster-than-light travel. And if they’ve managed that, they are FAR too advanced to only manage it sporadically, or worse, crash their ship on our planet!

 

[Jokester]

I would imagine it would be some what deflating to travel for hundreds of years on a generation ship and then arriving at your destination (or at least you as a descendent) to find it had already been colonised because after the generation ship had left further advancement in technology had led to much faster travel.

 

[Minusorange]

they are FAR too advanced to only manage it sporadically, or worse, crash their ship on our planet!

I would imagine peak civilisation that advanced, most stuff would be automated, so that all that's left for aliens to do is explore and enjoy life, maybe they get a little intoxicated on their trips to Earth and crash as a result

 

[Stu999]

Could any ship, AI or otherwise, really travel for 4,000 years? Assuming they could reach the speed of light.

The only conceivable way alien (or non-human) craft have managed to reach Earth is with faster-than-light travel. And if they’ve managed that, they are FAR too advanced to only manage it sporadically, or worse, crash their ship on our planet!

Probably the Bermuda Triangle or power generated by the pyramids makes them crash.

Or the lizard people might have anti-UFO tech.

 

[mrk]

Could any ship, AI or otherwise, really travel for 4,000 years? Assuming they could reach the speed of light.

von Neumann probes would not care or be affected by what speed they travel at, they could travel for millions of years if need be, the whole premise is that they replicate themselves as they go and therefore are exponentially spread around the universe in all directions. Speed of light is irrelevant in this content context as time is not a factor at all.

 

[Pottsey]

Could any ship, AI or otherwise, really travel for 4,000 years? Assuming they could reach the speed of light.

The only conceivable way alien (or non-human) craft have managed to reach Earth is with faster-than-light travel. And if they’ve managed that, they are FAR too advanced to only manage it sporadically, or worse, crash their ship on our planet!

I don't know about that. Even if FTL is possible who's to say it still wont take 5, 10 or even 50 years+ to arrive here. In that time unmanned probes could have any number of things go wrong causing a tiny % of them fail after arriving here. Technology isn't flawless if you produce anything in numbers at some point something will go wrong either from a micro fractures or parts that wear out over time. Or sustained damage from prolonged space flight like radiation bursts, micro impacts, solar flares or many of the others hazards all which can cause damage from extended space travel.

As I said before I am not convinced the UAPs being talked about are aliens from outside our solar system. If it does somehow turn out UAPs are from outside our solar system surly unmanned is far more likely then manned.

 

[Pottsey]

The only thing remotely interesting is the ring camera footage

Something I don't understand about those videos is why do people go out there way to take the 1080p+ footage and downgrade it to 480p or what ever it is. Take that police body cam I have seen the original footage and its full high quality footage so someone had to go out there way to convert it down to what ever low resolution that was.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Intelligence is not the goal of evolution - it's a by product. We were lucky. Evolution is simply about adapting to the environment to survive. It could well be there is no other intelligent life in the universe but there may be an abundance of non intelligent life which would explain why we have not detected radiowaves from ancient alien civilisations.

Exactly

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Thats my point.....we could be found by chance in the vastness of the Solar system

So they have technology that allows them to travel either near light speed or faster than light speed, they have an energy source that allows such speeds and they've solved the shielding problem of not just hitting matter at such speeds but also radiation as everything blue shifts at such speeds but then they just stumble on us by chance and then crash.

How anyone believes this nonsense is beyond me it really is. (that comment isn't aimed at you but people who believe aliens have crashed here)

 

[Minusorange]

So they have technology that allows them to travel either near light speed or faster than light speed, they have an energy source that allows such speeds and they've solved the shielding problem of not just hitting matter at such speeds but also radiation as everything blue shifts at such speeds but then they just stumble on us by chance and then crash.

How anyone believes this nonsense is beyond me it really is. (that comment isn't aimed at you but people who believe aliens have crashed here)

Your thinking is 2 dimensional using human physics to explain away advanced alien physics

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Your thinking is 2 dimensional using human physics to explain away advanced alien physics

So you're saying advanced Alien physics is crap, it's not good enough to do a safe landing on Earth

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Your thinking is 2 dimensional using human physics to explain away advanced alien physics

I hope this is sarcasm.. if not

So these advanced aliens with physics we can't imagine cross the galaxy and then crash when they arrive at Earth and if the stories are to be believed, keep crashing. Earth must the most jinxed planet in the universe.

 

[MoNkeE]

von Neumann probes would not care or be affected by what speed they travel at, they could travel for millions of years if need be, the whole premise is that they replicate themselves as they go and therefore are exponentially spread around the universe in all directions. Speed of light is irrelevant in this content context as time is not a factor at all.

Yes but (and I appreciate we’re talking about aliens and sci-fi tech) 1) they’re not real (literally a made up theory), 2) have some many ifs around how that would work. To suggest a single probe could survive a 4000 year journey - self-replicating/repairing or otherwise - is a huge suspension of disbelief.

The whole theory actually seems to kind of disprove itself with the Sagan rebuttal.

 

[mrk]

Yes but (and I appreciate we’re talking about aliens and sci-fi tech) 1) they’re not real (literally a made up theory), 2) have some many ifs around how that would work. To suggest a single probe could survive a 4000 year journey - self-replicating/repairing or otherwise - is a huge suspension of disbelief.

The whole theory actually seems to kind of disprove itself with the Sagan rebuttal.

A scientific theory isn't the same as a standard theory. we are currently on the bring of the technological singulairy (destined for around 2035) with AI taking over everything, this level of progress we are seeing today is much faster than anticipated as well which is why a lot of tech experts are saying "Moore's Law is Dead".

You cannot say as a matter of fact that inteligent life out there hasn't transcended biology into AI and machine intelligence is what ends up sprawling the universe because logically that's what makes the most sense.

Medical science is also currently exploring uploading brain functions to computers, none of these things are scifi any more, with the advance of AI and machine learning, all of these things are within our lifetime now.

The very fact that the biggest minds in human existence today are openly talking about AI and how machines will explore the universe on our behalf, whilst we augment our DNA with inserts from extremophiles that are capable of withstanding radiation and rebuilding damaged cell structures (again, this is currently being looked into by medical science so isn't a fantasy) shows that things are advancing way faster than what those who can't accept that massive change is happening in our lifetime.

 

[Pottsey]

I hope this is sarcasm.. if not

So these advanced aliens with physics we can't imagine cross the galaxy and then crash when they arrive at Earth and if the stories are to be believed, keep crashing. Earth must the most jinxed planet in the universe.

I think the entire argument that if Aliens are real with advanced technology its impossible for them to crash is flawed. What if they sent 10,000+ unmanned probes over the past 50 years and like all technology its not flawless and has a 0.1% fail rate? 99.9% return back to base to report findings, 0.1% fail. Due to distances perhaps the unmanned probes cannot communicate in real time and so have to relay on onboard programming which cannot account for everything that might happen.

Do you really think that Human in 200 years or 500years+ are going to have 0% crashes. Like I said before I am not convinced aliens have crashed here. Just I think its silly to say if they are visiting its impossible for any of them to crash.

 

[Pottsey]

A scientific theory isn't the same as a standard theory. we are currently on the bring of the technological singulairy (destined for around 2035) with AI taking over everything, this level of progress we are seeing today is much faster than anticipated as well which is why a lot of tech experts are saying "Moore's Law is Dead".

Not sure I buy into that singularity idea or that AI will even become like it is in Sci Fi and take over. It might not even be possible to have real AI. We might find no matter how far we push AI tech it just cannot reach that ability. Just look at how useless todays AI is. Its not really AI in that is has no awareness, cannot make intuitive leaps and doesn't even understanding what its looking at or understand what it is doing. While AI is really good at some things and there have been some giant leaps forward in AI its really just an illusion mostly in terms of Sci Fi AI. Its very possible that leap into what Sci Fi AI is might not be possible.

As for "Moore's Law is Dead" its dead because its slowed down and is no longer progressing at the fast speed it used to.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Do you really think that Human in 200 years or 500years+ are going to have 0% crashes. Like I said before I am not convinced aliens have crashed here. Just I think its silly to say if they are visiting its impossible for any of them to crash.

but Earth seems to be a target for crashed Alien craft because, according to some, we have had a lot.

 

[MoNkeE]

A scientific theory isn't the same as a standard theory. we are currently on the bring of the technological singulairy (destined for around 2035) with AI taking over everything, this level of progress we are seeing today is much faster than anticipated as well which is why a lot of tech experts are saying "Moore's Law is Dead".

You cannot say as a matter of fact that inteligent life out there hasn't transcended biology into AI and machine intelligence is what ends up sprawling the universe because logically that's what makes the most sense.

Medical science is also currently exploring uploading brain functions to computers, none of these things are scifi any more, with the advance of AI and machine learning, all of these things are within our lifetime now.

The very fact that the biggest minds in human existence today are openly talking about AI and how machines will explore the universe on our behalf, whilst we augment our DNA with inserts from extremophiles that are capable of withstanding radiation and rebuilding damaged cell structures (again, this is currently being looked into by medical science so isn't a fantasy) shows that things are advancing way faster than what those who can't accept that massive change is happening in our lifetime.

Not too sure most of what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote, but what I struggle with on this probe theory (and bear in mind the theory was based around “how would we mine a moon / asteroid field”, not “what extraterrestrial entity do we expect to meet first”), is how we’re giving credence to the idea that these sightings could be probes with such amazing technology in them to deal with hundreds/thousands of years of interstellar self-replicating….. then get here and crash.

Alien theorists are desperate to have their cake and eat it; amazing extraterrestrial technologies that our minds can’t comprehend that find their way to Earth and suck dirt.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

amazing extraterrestrial technologies that our minds can’t comprehend that find their way to Earth and suck dirt.

Perhaps that's it, we think our atmosphere is the dogs but to Alien craft it's like sucking dirt.
This is why so many crash in America because they have the worst atmosphere.
Obviously.