Does something need to be done about dogs?

Out of curiosity, how would you (royal) justify continuing the bloodline of a breed that was specifically engineered (by selective breeding) to be the perfect dog for fighting other dogs, and bull baiting?

It's not like anyone can legitimately say, "I need a dog for pit fighting."

So what's the justification for continuing these breeds?

I appreciate that there are other "working dogs" that no longer work, but they were mostly harmless like retrievers or herders or trackers, etc. Pit fighting dogs is a bit different.
 
FoxEye said:
Out of curiosity, how would you (royal) justify continuing the bloodline of a breed that was specifically engineered (by selective breeding) to be the perfect dog for fighting other dogs, and bull baiting?
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You don't - You alter the continuing bloodlines and breed the aggression out.

TheOracle said:
Just out of interest, why would someone want an XL bully?
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Same reason they want a Rottie, or St Bernard, or Sennenhund. People love great big soppy dogs, and those buying XLBs who aren't Chavscum or drug dealers are hoping for a good one rather than a monster.
 
ttaskmaster said:
You don't - You alter the continuing bloodlines and breed the aggression out.


Same reason they want a Rottie, or St Bernard, or Sennenhund. People love great big soppy dogs, and those buying XLBs who aren't Chavscum or drug dealers are hoping for a good one rather than a monster.
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That doesn't make much sense. Start with a breed that was created specifically for fighting, and try to breed the aggression out? Aggression being one of the characteristics that was advantageous for the breed given its intended purpose.

What exactly do you want to keep from that breed? The appearance?

There are plenty of affectionate dogs that didn't have the incredibly poor start of being bred for fighting.

To ask the question another way: what would you lose if the Bully, Staffy (etc) were allowed to die out (by not allowing further breeding). Are there not other "affectionate" breeds to choose from, that don't have fighting lineage?
 
TheOracle said:
Just out of interest, why would someone want an XL bully?
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Not a clue. To look hard maybe. Staffordshire and English bull terriers I can understand, but 50kg of muscle with teeth and twitchy temper, I just don’t understand it.

I was watching an interview claiming people inject these things with anabolic steroids and testosterone. These types of people should be prosecuted and used to further medical science.
 
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TheOracle said:
Just out of interest, why would someone want an XL bully?
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I expect you'll get variations on a theme of "guard dog", "family protector", etc.

No need to ask why the chavs have them, since that's beyond obvious.

But even the people who consider themselves decent, law-abiding folk will be attracted to these breeds with one eye on their fighting capabilities. Only that then gets wrapped up in the guise of "keeping my family safe", like the bloke who wants to buy an assault rifle but needs a family-friendly justification for doing so.
 
Whilst I appreciate these XLs are quickly obtaining the mantel of most dangerous dog in the UK. The staffi, as lovely as most are has held that title for quite a while and yet we've never banned them.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Same reason they want a Rottie, or St Bernard, or Sennenhund. People love great big soppy dogs, and those buying XLBs who aren't Chavscum or drug dealers are hoping for a good one rather than a monster.
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Whose buying an XL bully that isn't chavscum?
 
Regardless of the breed, it's the owner and how they have or have not trained the dog.

You can have the most fiercest of any breed with the wrong treatment and equally the best of behaviour from the "worst" of breeds with the right training and treatment.

A dog is potentially a dangerous weapon (historicity they were used as such) and a proper - vetted - licensing system should be in place.
 
scarps said:
My mate has had a Bully XL for about 7 years, he's really worried what's going to happen.
Had it as a puppy and its played, with their 7 year old kid all its life, they are best buddies, even has a nap with it.They don't leave them alone before the, oh they are bad parents crew chime in, they didn't leave the now older kid with their previous dog which was a Spaniel
While they aren't my cup of tea of a dog to have it's a lovely dog and a big softy.
Shows what a bit of training and how they are bought up can do.
Unless they bring in certain things, training, licences etc then you may as well ban these breeds and other types as the merry go round will just continue and some other poor breed will be in the spotlight next year.
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unfortunately it is unavoidable that there will always be outliers. just like some dogs are known to be soft but you still get a wrongun.

but this has gotten so bad now with the XL that action has to be taken.... and alas it means that the chance of getting a goodun will also be lost.

I doubt there will be a mass culling however so I suspect your friend will be ok. it's possible he will have to get it neutered however

to the person who wants all dogs of a certain size killed. dude get real! yes there will be some attacks but people have had dogs as either pets or working animals since for ever. dogs in general are no more dangerous than cows or horses etc and also they are vital tools for people.

it's just that some dogs are so much more likely to become unhinged it's just silly
 
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ChroniC said:
Whilst I appreciate these XLs are quickly obtaining the mantel of most dangerous dog in the UK. The staffi, as lovely as most are has held that title for quite a while and yet we've never banned them.
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The ratio of Staffie incidents to XL bullies is very different. Most of the aggression was bred out of staffs in the 1800’s as owners wanted dogs that would still fight but be trustworthy and protective in the home.
 
FoxEye said:
That doesn't make much sense. Start with a breed that was created specifically for fighting, and try to breed the aggression out? Aggression being one of the characteristics that was advantageous for the breed given its intended purpose.
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When dog-fighting and bull-baiting was first banned, that's exactly what they did to the Staffy hence its Nanny Dog reputation, until backstreet breeders started crossing it with other fighting dogs again.

FoxEye said:
What exactly do you want to keep from that breed? The appearance?
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I guess so. They've been bred primarily for appearance.

FoxEye said:
There are plenty of affectionate dogs that didn't have the incredibly poor start of being bred for fighting.
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Labradors are the loveliest dogs ever, so I guess we can eliminate every other breed?

FoxEye said:
To ask the question another way: what would you lose if the Bully, Staffy (etc) were allowed to die out (by not allowing further breeding). Are there not other "affectionate" breeds to choose from, that don't have fighting lineage?
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The chance to develop the breed into one worth keeping?

FoxEye said:
But even the people who consider themselves decent, law-abiding folk will be attracted to these breeds with one eye on their fighting capabilities. Only that then gets wrapped up in the guise of "keeping my family safe", like the bloke who wants to buy an assault rifle but needs a family-friendly justification for doing so.
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Some might.
Others are the kid of people who dress bulldogs up in funny hats for TikTok.

dlockers said:
Whose buying an XL bully that isn't chavscum?
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Animal behaviourists, hikers, community councillors, sports educators (presumably PE teacher)...

news.sky.com

American bully XL owner defends breed but calls for tougher laws on dog ownership

The breed has been linked with several dog attacks in recent months but one owner says the American bully XL is being wrongfully demonised.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
ttaskmaster said:
Animal behaviourists, hikers, community councillors, sports educators (presumably PE teacher)...

news.sky.com

American bully XL owner defends breed but calls for tougher laws on dog ownership

The breed has been linked with several dog attacks in recent months but one owner says the American bully XL is being wrongfully demonised.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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I don't care about their desires to own a dog like this, versus the inconsequential impact to the rest of the world if they didn't own that dog.
 
My panda got out last night and killed 5 kids to get to some bamboo.

Very out of character for him, but suspect the kids spooked him.

The police came to take him away but he is currently chasing them out of a tree, so seems he is back to normal thankfully.

Just a blip, nothing wrong, they are lovable, everyone loves Panda's.

Oh...hang on..

"Ching Ching, give that man his arm back....now!!"
 
dlockers said:
I don't care about their desires to own a dog like this, versus the inconsequential impact to the rest of the world if they didn't own that dog.
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Err.... good for you, then, I guess?
A bit strange that you'd ask such a question, if the answer doesn't make any difference.

But then, I'm sure many people wouldn't care about anything to do with your life, versus the inconsequential impact to the rest of the world if you didn't have it...
 
ttaskmaster said:
Err.... good for you, then, I guess?
A bit strange that you'd ask such a question, if the answer doesn't make any difference.

But then, I'm sure many people wouldn't care about anything to do with your life, versus the inconsequential impact to the rest of the world if you didn't have it...
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The answer may have made a difference but the answer made no difference. A better answer may have made a difference. Like I dunno, they are specialists at rescuing people from under heavy stuff, or carry a cute bottle of whiskey to rescue stranded skiers.

ttaskmaster said:
Animal behaviourists, hikers, community councillors, sports educators (presumably PE teacher)...
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^^ this answer just made me lol.

There is no purpose for a 9 stone "cuddle creature". It is a dumb invention of human activity and should just be eradicated.
 
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