Does something need to be done about dogs?

A better answer may have made a difference. Like I dunno, they are specialists at rescuing people from under heavy stuff, or carry a cute bottle of whiskey to rescue stranded skiers.
That's a possible future for the XLB breed, if treated right...

^^ this answer just made me lol.
There is no purpose for a 9 stone "cuddle creature". It is a dumb invention of human activity and should just be eradicated.
OK, so we culling Great Danes, St Bernards, Newfoundlands, most Mastiffs and Sennenhunds next week, then?

Even if they are PE teachers?*
*I have no idea what that means, but ttaskyboy offered it up
It means I looked up the answer to your question.
Sorry if the truth wasn't entirely to your liking. Were you hoping that only chavs ever bought them, or something?
 
Most hiking people I know would far prefer a spaniel, a collie or a labrador sized dog. One that can walk eight hours in the day without getting bored or overexcited either.
 
That's a possible future for the XLB breed, if treated right...
A good outcome starts with a good requirement.
OK, so we culling Great Danes, St Bernards, Newfoundlands, most Mastiffs and Sennenhunds next week, then?

I would love Great Danes to become the goofy status symbols they are. What's your point? These dogs haven't been picked up by mongo chavs to be bread as status symbols. Once they are, and they are routinely killing people, then yes, get rid of them. Why is this so confusing for you?

It means I looked up the answer to your question.
Sorry if the truth wasn't entirely to your liking. Were you hoping that only chavs ever bought them, or something?
The truth wasn't adequate to change my opinion; correct.
 
A good outcome starts with a good requirement.
If that were true, then about 60% of this planet shouldn't exist.

These dogs haven't been picked up by mongo chavs to be bread as status symbols. Once they are, and they are routinely killing people, then yes, get rid of them. Why is this so confusing for you?
Bred.
You don't think it a better idea to stop the mongo chavs in the first place, then?

The truth wasn't adequate to change my opinion; correct.
Did you want it changed?
 
If that were true, then about 60% of this planet shouldn't exist.

Agreed




Nothing against bred but I've started to try bagles


You don't think it a better idea to stop the mongo chavs in the first place, then?
Not possible as they aren't doing anything inherently illegal. Breading mongo dogs is just one of their fun side of desk activities.


Did you want it changed?
Of course. I often say dumb things to get corrected/educated. It appears I was correct in this instance.
 
Nothing against bred but I've started to try bagles.
Jewish girlfriend, or just wishing you lived in New York?

Not possible as they aren't doing anything inherently illegal. Breading mongo dogs is just one of their fun side of desk activities.
You think it's fine to wipe entire dog breeds out of existence, but feel bound by legal morality to let chavscum freely do whatever they like, while you simply follow behind sweeping up their mess?

Of course. I often say dumb things to get corrected/educated.
Agreed.... :cry:
 
Best thing to happen would be a clamp down on these XLs.
Mandatory 3rd party insurance, muzzled in public and tagged and neutered.

I wouldn't support a cull. As a dog owner having someone come and take my dog away who might genuinely be fine? That's brutal.
 
Ultimately the responsibility is with the dog owner.

A well trained dog is good as gold, any breed.

Any dog can be a problem with poor training, but the biggest issue arises with poorly trained, powerful dogs.

Also, who buys a dog with the word 'bully' in the name?

I agree with the ban but only because many of the people who own these dogs are thick as pig ****. I don't agree with a cull though.
 
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Best thing to happen would be a clamp down on these XLs.
Mandatory 3rd party insurance, muzzled in public and tagged and neutered.

I wouldn't support a cull. As a dog owner having someone come and take my dog away who might genuinely be fine? That's brutal.

That's what will happen once defined.
 
Also, to keep the thread balanced:

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Ultimately the responsibility is with the dog owner.

A well trained dog is good as gold, any breed.

Any dog can be a problem with poor training, but the biggest issue arises with poorly trained, powerful dogs.

Also, who buys a dog with the word 'bully' in the name?

I agree with the ban but only because many of the people who own these dogs are thick as pig ****. I don't agree with a cull though.

Also got to remember, no matter how good an owner you are, or how well trained your dog is, they are all unpredictable to some degree - they have free will.

We also make mistakes. Like when we drive cars, which we need licences for.

But your point about it being a bigger problem when it's these types of dogs is spot on and the crux of this thread.
 
100% against a cull for existing Bully owners but do think their dogs must be muzzled in public by law or harsh penalties ensue. 100% behind banning breeding and neutering existing Bullys.

Yes some Bullys have responsible owners and probably won't attack anyone. The fact remains though that dogs are dogs and have an element of unpredictability, even the best trained dogs, and this coupled with the Bullys genetic predisposition for aggression and immense potential for highly damaging attacks means that they all present too much danger.

And then of course you have the chavscum idiots/criminals who are often owners of this dog who couldn't look after a goldfish. These are just attacks waiting to happen. They'll probably go back to owning staffs like they did years ago.

I'd like to see licensing for dog ownership, mandatory educational courses for new owners, penalties if your dog is off a leash in residential areas, and especially if your dog shows aggression nevermind actually attacking anyone/anything. If it attacks causing serious injury or death then the owner should get a very long prison sentence.
 
A lot of scum like to have these dogs by their side. They make them aggressive. They train them to be so. These dogs are being bred like this.

Take them off of the streets......both scum and their dogs (not all owners are scum obviously but, nearly everyone one i see is owned by drug dealers etc etc)
 
The ratio of Staffie incidents to XL bullies is very different. Most of the aggression was bred out of staffs in the 1800’s as owners wanted dogs that would still fight but be trustworthy and protective in the home.
The statistic for death by dog in 2016 (as an example) would disagree with you as over 5 children and adults were killed by them and more in years since...
 
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broken record time,

problem is the owners not the dogs.

any dog has the inherit ability to be a danger, and that scales up exponentially depending on the size of the breed. a labrador is just as capable of killing as a xl bully but you dont see people buying labradors as status symbols and and to use as weapons.
all that a ban on xl bullies is going to do is push ownership and breeding underground or worse cause the idiots to look for the next big thing thats even more capable of inflicting damage. whats the betting within 2 years of a ban on XL bullies we start seeing a trend for hybrid mastiffs or Kangals

I've been a volunteer with a bulldog rescue for many many years (english and french) a staffie owner and come from a family of dog owners and breeders. Mum and dad bred Deerhounds/Rotties Gran and Aunty both bred/breed Rotties i've been brought up with supposed devil dogs my entire life my first dog of my own was a Japanese Akita which i would say is a far more potentially dangerous breed than a xl bully and there was a while back a thing for the "chavscum" owners to own akitas before XL bullies became the must have fashion accesory. its always been the same idiots flock to a certain breed it becomes demonised, idiots move onto something bigger and better in their eyes GSDs Dobermans Rotties Akitas Staffies have all had a turn as the flavour of the month and this is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction from the government that will solve nothing but move the problem onto another breed.

the government needs to tighten up dog ownership. bring back dog licencing, with a mandatory training program attached to that, classify breeds the same way they do with firearms, if you want a Daschhound you have to do a level one program in dog ownership if you want to own a more "substantial breed" that has the potential to pose a bigger risk then you have to do an appropriate training couse. All dogs chipped, licence no attached to the chip and any dogs transferred to a new owner to be logged on a centralised database same as with firearms perhaps even home inspections before your allowed to own a dog. and regular checkups should any reports of anything be made, mistreatment , behavioural incedents etc etc.

as a dog owner i would have no problem taking steps like the above if it weeded out the idiots that should not be allowed with 100 yards of a dog and i'm sure most responsible dog owners would feel exactly the same.


bit of a ramble but you get the picture. responsible dog owners and breeders should not be demonised for a minority of idiots that shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a dog
 
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broken record time,

problem is the owners not the dogs.

any dog has the inherit ability to be a danger, and that scales up exponentially depending on the size of the breed. a labrador is just as capable of killing as a xl bully but you dont see people buying labradors as status symbols and and to use as weapons.
all that a ban on xl bullies is going to do is push ownership and breeding underground or worse cause the idiots to look for the next big thing thats even more capable of inflicting damage. whats the betting within 2 years of a ban on XL bullies we start seeing a trend for hybrid mastiffs or Kangals

I've been a volunteer with a bulldog rescue for many many years (english and french) a staffie owner and come from a family of dog owners and breeders. Mum and dad bred Deerhounds/Rotties Gran and Aunty both bred/breed Rotties i've been brought up with supposed devil dogs my entire life my first dog of my own was a Japanese Akita which i would say is a far more potentially dangerous breed than a xl bully and there was a while back a thing for the "chavscum" owners to own akitas before XL bullies became the must have fashion accesory. its always been the same idiots flock to a certain breed it becomes demonised, idiots move onto something bigger and better in their eyes GSDs Dobermans Rotties Akitas Staffies have all had a turn as the flavour of the month and this is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction from the government that will solve nothing but move the problem onto another breed.

the government needs to tighten up dog ownership. bring back dog licencing, with a mandatory training program attached to that, classify breeds the same way they do with firearms, if you want a Daschhound you have to do a level one program in dog ownership if you want to own a more "substantial breed" that has the potential to pose a bigger risk then you have to do an appropriate training couse. All dogs chipped, licence no attached to the chip and any dogs transferred to a new owner to be logged on a centralised database same as with firearms perhaps even home inspections before your allowed to own a dog. and regular checkups should any reports of anything be made, mistreatment , behavioural incedents etc etc.

as a dog owner i would have no problem taking steps like the above if it weeded out the idiots that should not be allowed with 100 yards of a dog and i'm sure most responsible dog owners would feel exactly the same.


bit of a ramble but you get the picture. responsible dog owners and breeders should not be demonised for a minority of idiots that shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a dog

Requires a government dealing with the social issues we have ignored for decades plus people taking responsibility. The issues is our governments have become accustomed to being seen to be taking action not actually take action and enforce it.

It’s much easier to ban the breed then let our underfunded police force deal with issue after the fact.
 
Requires a government dealing with the social issues we have ignored for decades plus people taking responsibility. The issues is our governments have become accustomed to being seen to be taking action not actually take action and enforce it.

It’s much easier to ban the breed then let our underfunded police force deal with issue after the fact.

Yes. In the real world of Britain today any idealogical best solutions requiring effort are not going to happen. The easy route will be taken.
 
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