Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Absolute clusterfrak.

Innocent Palestinians and Israelis suffer the brunt as usual. They're the only innocent party in the conflict.

I see Scotland's First Minister has relatives stuck in Gaza

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wildman said:
so thats pretty much the whole of the poplualtion centres for Gaza then. Which is ok if you are fine with chalking down all the non combatants as collateral damage.
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That's up to Hamas. However, continuing on after what they've done is not a choice Israel will give them...human shields or not.
 
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StriderX said:
You'd risk yourself and your entire family being persona non grata with people who chop heads off?

To be fair if enough people spoke up the critical mass would probably result in toppling these terrorists, but that's a very difficult thing to ask of individuals when there's no guarantee it'd work.
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I don't understand your gimmick. Are you here to defend Hamas, or are you just stuck in an awkward place because you identify as a Palestinian?
 
I can’t help but think this was instigated by external powers, maybe Russia as an example etc. Possibly as a way to maybe pull support away from Ukraine or maybe even another player to pull support from the Saudi Israeli deal. Either way something is off.

This entire attack has no end game for hamas none in which they came out favourably. It’s in essence a suicide attack. In the end only civilians suffer the true cruelty.

It makes no sense there was no favourable outcome for them.
 
adidan said:
Absolute clusterfrak.

Innocent Palestinians and Israelis suffer the brunt as usual. They're the only innocent party in the conflict.

I see Scotland's First Minister has relatives stuck in Gaza

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.
youtu.be youtu.be
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Yep his wife is Palestinian, it seems her parents were visiting Gaza at the moment
 
Twinz said:
That's up to Hamas. However, continuing on after what they've done is not a choice Israel will give them...human shields or not.
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so basically an eye for an eye is considered a legitmate military strategy and it's ok for an imeasurably stronger military machine droping prohibited ordnance into civillian areas as a measured response regardless of collateral damage ? I know war is hell, but there are still rules even more so if you are the overwhelmingly superior force.
 
Allnamestaken said:
I can’t help but think this was instigated by external powers, maybe Russia as an example etc. Possibly as a way to maybe pull support away from Ukraine or maybe even another player to pull support from the Saudi Israeli deal. Either way something is off.

This entire attack has no end game for hamas none in which they came out favourably. It’s in essence a suicide attack. In the end only civilians suffer the true cruelty.

It makes no sense there was no favourable outcome for them.
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Unlikely to be Russia, there is no way they would avoid implication if their hands were on this. Moreover, it's not as if the IDF needs massive ammounts of support or any support actually to steam roll Hamas. All they need is for the UN toi take a few days off, turn a few blind eyes and the job would be done. IL has a larger standinng army than the UK and hundreds of thousands more reservists, more armour, more artillery and almost 8 times more tanks. Not like they need handouts to prop their military machine up.
 
wildman said:
so basically an eye for an eye is considered a legitmate military strategy and it's ok for an imeasurably stronger military machine droping prohibited ordnance into civillian areas as a measured response regardless of collateral damage ? I know war is hell, but there are still rules even more so if you are the overwhelmingly superior force.
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They always hit back harder and it has solved nothing.
 
Netanyahu delivered the pronouncement in a nationally televised address as Israel pressed ahead with a third day of heavy airstrikes in Gaza.

“We have only started striking Hamas,” he said. “What we will do to our enemies in the coming days will reverberate with them for generations.”

OSINT accounts expect the ground war to start within 24 hours
 
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Harlequin said:
Why not ask them. The IDF have many tools for its use, but using chemical or incindary weapons in a densily populated area is illegal.
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure going round peoples houses killing families and hundreds of young people at a music concert is illegal too.
Don't see you condemning that for some strange reason...
 
wildman said:
so basically an eye for an eye is considered a legitmate military strategy and it's ok for an imeasurably stronger military machine droping prohibited ordnance into civillian areas as a measured response regardless of collateral damage ? I know war is hell, but there are still rules even more so if you are the overwhelmingly superior force.
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Israel is *targeting* Hamas.

Hamas *targeted* civilians. (and is currently threatening to kill the hostages they didn't already kill)

So no, it's not "an eye for an eye."
 
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Uther said:
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure going round peoples houses killing families and hundreds of young people at a music concert is illegal too.
Don't see you condemning that for some strange reason...
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What a pathetic response. Oh no! X didn't condemn a thing! Now we're just fine to do a genocide!
 
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wildman said:
so basically an eye for an eye is considered a legitmate military strategy and it's ok for an imeasurably stronger military machine droping prohibited ordnance into civillian areas as a measured response regardless of collateral damage ? I know war is hell, but there are still rules even more so if you are the overwhelmingly superior force.
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Nobody wants that, not even Israel. Israel now feel the need to end this once and for all. Israel itself is pretty small, as is the population. Even when the early tally of deaths came out it was equivalent to something like 21,000 American's being killed during 9/11. It's a significant attack on a relatively small population. Look how the USA responded when only < 3000 died.
Given the small size of Gaza I've wondered if there's a way they could separate the Hamas terrorists away from the innocent Palestinians. There's a nice long beach there :). If they could get it over in 24 hours, first give the signal to evacuate to the beach then clean the city out. Of course, processing 2million people into shelter wouldn't be easy though. Israel I believe have been using texts to communicate to civilians but of course the terrorists too, giving them time to clear out.
To stop a repeat a longer term solution needs to be in place. A Palestinian state (two State approach) but the people also need opportunities otherwise it'll happen again, a terrorist group will form. Born into such an environment, with little to no opportunities, a terrorist group recruiting from the Palestinian population is way too easy
 
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