"Just stop oil"

[Hades]

Yea sounds like they left out a few details there.

She is going to prison for vandalism, not protesting. After the law is done with them, there will be a bunch of civil cases most likely. They will be fighting and paying them forever.

Yes. **** just got real for them (again from last year). Apparently the group were shocked that they had criminal records after being found guilty of criminal activity.

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Once released in December, conversations became even more charged, and Plummer felt galvanized by the shock amongst peers who realized that they were now a convicted criminal.

 

[Nasher]

Comparing herself to equal rights campaigners is a bit of a stretch.

 

[GGizmo]

If people can't smell that something is fishy with these groups and how the police deal with them have a look at this story.

Extinction Rebellion activists who smashed HSBC windows found not guilty of criminal damage

A jury deliberated for two hours before returning its verdict, following a trial during which the activists said HSBC had made £80 billion of fossil fuels investments in the five years following the Paris Climate Agreement

news.sky.com

We all saw them smashing the windows. But apparently the jury think if you have a cause they agree with then you can be found not guilty!?

I hope they have a retrial, though I doubt they will.

 

[Scarfacé]

If people can't smell that something is fishy with these groups and how the police deal with them have a look at this story.

Extinction Rebellion activists who smashed HSBC windows found not guilty of criminal damage

A jury deliberated for two hours before returning its verdict, following a trial during which the activists said HSBC had made £80 billion of fossil fuels investments in the five years following the Paris Climate Agreement

news.sky.com

We all saw them smashing the windows. But apparently the jury think if you have a cause they agree with then you can be found not guilty!?

I hope they have a retrial, though I doubt they will.

That is bizarre, clear evidence they caused £500k of criminal damage but are found not guilty, how does that work The other day I saw many people pointing out the hypocrisy of how the Met handled the Palestinian protesters jumping all over a war memorial in London, saying if it was a bunch of hooded white lads, it almost certainly would have had a remarkably different response from the police, resulting in them being arrested for "public disorder" or similar...

 

[Jimbeam3678]

The other day I saw many people pointing out the hypocrisy of how the Met handled the Palestinian protesters jumping all over a war memorial in London, saying if it was a bunch of hooded white lads, it almost certainly would have had a remarkably different response from the police, resulting in them being arrested for "public disorder" or similar...

I would argue that is called applying common sense to a high profile situation and trying not escalate the situation any further.

 

[Freakbro]

If people can't smell that something is fishy with these groups and how the police deal with them have a look at this story.

Extinction Rebellion activists who smashed HSBC windows found not guilty of criminal damage

A jury deliberated for two hours before returning its verdict, following a trial during which the activists said HSBC had made £80 billion of fossil fuels investments in the five years following the Paris Climate Agreement

news.sky.com

We all saw them smashing the windows. But apparently the jury think if you have a cause they agree with then you can be found not guilty!?

I hope they have a retrial, though I doubt they will.

How did the police deal with these people differently?

 

[Scarfacé]

I would argue that is called applying common sense to a high profile situation and trying not escalate the situation any further.

So the law shouldn't be objective anymore, it should be applied differently depending on the colour of your skin and/or your political beliefs? That's a slippery slope and shouldn't be how the law works. The law should be applied by the police equally to every person in the UK.

 

[Freakbro]

That is bizarre, clear evidence they caused £500k of criminal damage but are found not guilty, how does that work The other day I saw many people pointing out the hypocrisy of how the Met handled the Palestinian protesters jumping all over a war memorial in London, saying if it was a bunch of hooded white lads, it almost certainly would have had a remarkably different response from the police, resulting in them being arrested for "public disorder" or similar...

If there were 300,000 hooded white lads having a protest and some of them jumped all over a war memorial, I would have imagined the police would have acted the same way.

If it was a few beered up lads on a Friday night, then sure, the Police would probably act differently, but not for the reasons being insinuated.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

So the law shouldn't be objective anymore, it should be applied differently depending on the colour of your skin and/or your political beliefs? That's a slippery slope and shouldn't be how the law works. The law should be applied by the police equally to every person in the UK.

That not exactly what I said now is it I never mention skin colour or any type of beliefs. If you have 2 people protesting about X on a memorial and you ask them to stop a few times if they don’t arrest them let them calm down and release them with fixed fine or something.

Take the same scenario but say 200 people are protesting, arresting them all is likely to inflame the situation and make things worse. Not everything is binary in the world.

 

[Scarfacé]

That not exactly what I said now is it I never mention skin colour or any type of beliefs. If you have 2 people protesting about X on a memorial and you ask them to stop a few times if they don’t arrest them let them calm down and release them with fixed fine or something.

Take the same scenario but say 200 people are protesting, arresting them all is likely to inflame the situation and make things worse. Not everything is binary in the world.

I agree with what you’re saying in terms of the personal safety of the officers on the ground. However, what I’m referring to is the explicit and official statement from the Met that followed, which said that it wasn’t illegal and no crime had been committed. In the alternative scenario there’d be mug shots all over the media and they’d be found and arrested by the police and made an example of. The same concept applies here, the legal system is going easy on environmental protesters for political reasons, the police are either too afraid to do anything or don’t want to.

Britain in 2023: it’s perfectly legal to cause £500k of criminal damage and to jump on war memorials over armistice day. There’s something in the water, I swear

 

[Freakbro]

Britain in 2023: it’s perfectly legal to cause £500k of criminal damage

Not according to the police or CPS, hence they were charged and in court for it.

The verdict is down to the wonderful vagaries of the jury system, that have been present since jury's were invented.

The same concept applies here, the legal system is going easy on environmental protesters for political reasons,

Missed this bit, but they aren't are they. The legal system arrested and charged them. It was the public that let them off.

 

[Scarfacé]

Not according to the police or CPS, hence they were charged and in court for it.

The verdict is down to the wonderful vagaries of the jury system, that have been present since jury's were invented.

Yeah, that’s a fair comment, it’s the justice system which it fault in that case, not the police or CPS.

 

[Hagar]

Comparing herself to equal rights campaigners is a bit of a stretch.

6 months is a bit if a stretch, a very little bit of a stretch.

 

[GGizmo]

How did the police deal with these people differently?

This is more questioning the justice system.

How can these people be not guilty?

 

[PlacidCasual]

A few sanctimonious jury members support vandalism over justice and pat themselves on the back whilst doing so no doubt.

 

[GGizmo]

I think in the case of predominantly white protest groups the old class prejudice comes out.

Many of these eco people seem to come from wealthy homes. So they get the benefit of doubt.

 

[dowie]

A few sanctimonious jury members support vandalism over justice and pat themselves on the back whilst doing so no doubt.

Yup, strange verdicts like this, backlog in the court system and we still don't update that system. There's some real status quo bias around having a jury, plenty of European countries manage to do things way more efficiently but we carry on with that system.

How are you supposed to have a complex fraud case when Karen the bar manager who struggles with sorting out her staff shift rota each week is supposed to vote on the "truth" of the matter?

 

[FoxEye]

If people can't smell that something is fishy with these groups and how the police deal with them have a look at this story.

Extinction Rebellion activists who smashed HSBC windows found not guilty of criminal damage

A jury deliberated for two hours before returning its verdict, following a trial during which the activists said HSBC had made £80 billion of fossil fuels investments in the five years following the Paris Climate Agreement

news.sky.com

We all saw them smashing the windows. But apparently the jury think if you have a cause they agree with then you can be found not guilty!?

I hope they have a retrial, though I doubt they will.

I don't agree with causing criminal damage, but it would appear that the people of the land do not support the inaction of our leaders on the issue.

Perhaps the idea is that if one takes as a fact that inaction on climate will literally kill us all, then a smashed window or two is the least of our worries.

Again, I'm not one for smashing windows or throwing paint. It's mindless vandalism.

But it would appear that the people are trying to send a message to our leaders, and the deliberate bending and breaking of the rules is seen as a way of doing this. It's not like we can directly influence our leaders most of the time. We can choose between the Red Tories or the Blue Tories, but once in power they do whatever the hell big business tells them to.

In that world, the tools available to the plebs to send a message is: civil disobedience and... civil disobedience.

 

[Hagar]

I don't agree with causing criminal damage, but it would appear that the people of the land do not support the inaction of our leaders...

In that world, the tools available to the plebs to send a message is: civil disobedience and... civil disobedience.

Civil disobedience, the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power, without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition;

Somehow smashing the place up does not equal civil disobedience

 

[FoxEye]

Civil disobedience, the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power, without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition;

Somehow smashing the place up does not equal civil disobedience

The jury finding them not guilty when they clearly are (beyond *any* doubt) would qualify as civil disobedience, no?