The ability of some people to ignore the discomfort of cognitive dissonance seems to have no limits.
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The ability of some people to ignore the discomfort of cognitive dissonance seems to have no limits.
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I'd love to know, genuinely... If you're English and live in the UK, no family relating to any of this, no amount of shouting at the tv/posting in threads/arguing with people in person will change any of this, why do you let it rule your life/time?
It baffles me that people let things that are nothing to do with them, that they cant change, affect them, when it's literally nothing to do with them and 99.9% have no real idea what's going on other than what the media/gov wants them to believe/aren't qualified/haven't been there...
Just seems like a way to wind yourself up big time on something that if the media didn't publicize, you'd be literally unaware of/unaffected (unless it genuinely did effect you, your family, your country)?
Other than things like the prices of things being hiked up as a side effect, why do people waste their time arguing on forums/socials/in person/shouting at the news, about any of this (in general)? I just do not get it, you're not changing anything, you're just literally wasting your own time and winding yourself up?
This isn't a trolling post, I just do not get this mentality with anything in life, unless you're going to do something about it/it directly effects you, get on with your own life? I'd highly doubt for example other countries worry about the things we do like Brexit (just as a very cheesy but obvious easy example).
I get with war for example, people can get scared that it might eventually effect us, but until it does... And even if it does, again unless you can change it, you're just wasting time, time that could now be shorter due to it, and you can't live your life worrying about XYZ just 'in case' it happens?
We're literally sticking our nose in things that don't concern us, there is plenty of very bad things going on all the time, but yeah we seem to be very selective about which we decide matters. Baffles me.
I also think it does no good for people like another countries media to stick their nose in and decide to take an opinion on something they don't really know the facts of, only what they think they know, which then creates tension between the country they're now bad mouthing, thus bringing us into someone else's fight/argument and causing tension that wouldn't of existed?
Again I stress, this isn't trolling, I just don't get it?
I wouldn't ear wig the last minute of someone else's argument in public and then kick off at my chosen 1 of 2 people and claim I know what'd happened in the other 59 minutes of that conversation that I wasn't present, then go tell everyone else about it/rant online/consider myself the fountain of knowledge and then preach who's right or wrong, it's nothing to do with me?
I see countless threads on stuff like this and it just seems like SUCH a waste of peoples time/stress/energy...
OR am I missing the simple picture, that people WANT to appear like the oracle/fountain of knowledge of things they don't have first hand real knowledge on and simply get a kick out of side taking/arguing...?
It baffles me that people let things that are nothing to do with them, that they cant change, affect them, when it's literally nothing to do with them and 99.9% have no real idea what's going on other than what the media/gov wants them to believe/aren't qualified/haven't been there...
Just seems like a way to wind yourself up big time on something that if the media didn't publicize, you'd be literally unaware of/unaffected (unless it genuinely did effect you, your family, your country)?
Other than things like the prices of things being hiked up as a side effect, why do people waste their time arguing on forums/socials/in person/shouting at the news, about any of this (in general)? I just do not get it, you're not changing anything, you're just literally wasting your own time and winding yourself up?
This isn't a trolling post, I just do not get this mentality with anything in life, unless you're going to do something about it/it directly effects you, get on with your own life? I'd highly doubt for example other countries worry about the things we do like Brexit (just as a very cheesy but obvious easy example).
I get with war for example, people can get scared that it might eventually effect us, but until it does... And even if it does, again unless you can change it, you're just wasting time, time that could now be shorter due to it, and you can't live your life worrying about XYZ just 'in case' it happens?
We're literally sticking our nose in things that don't concern us, there is plenty of very bad things going on all the time, but yeah we seem to be very selective about which we decide matters. Baffles me.
I also think it does no good for people like another countries media to stick their nose in and decide to take an opinion on something they don't really know the facts of, only what they think they know, which then creates tension between the country they're now bad mouthing, thus bringing us into someone else's fight/argument and causing tension that wouldn't of existed?
Again I stress, this isn't trolling, I just don't get it?
I wouldn't ear wig the last minute of someone else's argument in public and then kick off at my chosen 1 of 2 people and claim I know what'd happened in the other 59 minutes of that conversation that I wasn't present, then go tell everyone else about it/rant online/consider myself the fountain of knowledge and then preach who's right or wrong, it's nothing to do with me?
I see countless threads on stuff like this and it just seems like SUCH a waste of peoples time/stress/energy...
OR am I missing the simple picture, that people WANT to appear like the oracle/fountain of knowledge of things they don't have first hand real knowledge on and simply get a kick out of side taking/arguing...?
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You seem wound up over other people getting wound up over it.
Arguably that is even worse.
If you saw a kid in a playground beating up a smaller child, would you 'stick your nose in'?
If you walked past an alleyway and heard a girl screaming for help, would you 'stick your nose in'?
If you see an old lady struggling to cross a busy road, would you 'stick your nose in' and help?
The costs of us not supporting Ukraine in it's bid for freedom are vastly worse than the cost of us helping IMO.
If you walked past an alleyway and heard a girl screaming for help, would you 'stick your nose in'?
If you see an old lady struggling to cross a busy road, would you 'stick your nose in' and help?
The costs of us not supporting Ukraine in it's bid for freedom are vastly worse than the cost of us helping IMO.
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you are correct in a lot of ways.. People only read what they want to believe in. if you hate a certain aspect of a argument, you will always find justification to find something negative about it, or if you are a fan of something doing bad, you will find a justification on why it happened. You will only know the truth if you are fully on the ground.
I have worked with a couple of Ukrainian's who are very pro Russian, but state that in this thread and you will always get someone justifying that they are wrong etc..
The most happy people i know, are normally the ignorant ones who bury their head in the sand and not knowing WTF is going on in the world. A lot of the time, thats the best way.
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”
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I mean I literally said multiple times I wasn't trolling and was just asking, to understand why people do this?
Ha nope, I'm fine, not angry in the slightest, I couldn't care less, I just don't get why others do that aren't effected in reality themselves, just seems like a reason to be angry/moan/criticise others in a dick waving competition tbh. as I have zero opinion on something I have no real experience/knowledge on in a country I don't live in/aren't effected by.
I never will really know, neither will anyone, unless they're directly affected, I don't believe simply quoting the information the media/gov are allowed/want to release, would make me have the right to comment/educate people on it.
That's different because it's infront of me and I can make a difference, I have clearly stated that's a different situation. However if I heard a story about those things happening somewhere I wasn't, I have zero opinion/experience on what happened, so can't comment, nor would I take clickbait hearsay/bias over it, as I'd never know what was the legitimate story of what happened vs bias, for example.
Other than the obvious things that it effects when supporting 1 side or the other in a war/fall out that we didn't directly start, how is it actually effecting me though, as regardless of what causes xyz to happen, I cannot change them, and wasting my time 'discussing it' on here isn't going to make them stop?
Seems like people just want to appear either the voice of reason/the fountain of knowledge/start at fight at anything they can online?
When it reality they're not there, not qualified, didn't witness it, and only know what the media/gov wants you to know, and the way they want it told.
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Yeah, i mean otherwise where do you stop, I'd rather people put this much effort into helping in their own community, let alone country?
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pot, kettle.......
It's a discussion forum. It's like going to the pub and chatting to your mates / coworkers - for people who are stuck at home.
Yes, you are.
It's simple in that different people enjoy doing different things. Just because you don't enjoy/understand/need to do XYZ doesn't mean it's the same for others. Some people like to discuss cars, or graphics cards, or food others enjoy talking about global politics.
The great thing about discussion forums like this is you can talk about things you enjoy with other likeminded people, which you might not have in your RL circle.
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Nope, as I'm not arguing, I'm asking/discussing, you're reaching to try and get me to bite I swear?
I have said multiple times I just don't get the mindset so am asking why? I'm not in anyway annoyed? I just don't get it? That's not me kicking off or baiting you? It's discussing like you say?
Yeah but I think you're missing my point?
Fair enough be into what you're into, but you have to actually be into it/experienced it, to talk about it.
Otherwise that's just spouting nonsense/speculation/hearsay/bs at that point? Then for 2 people of apposing opinions both built purely on what they 'think' they know that they've been told by a controlled source that could easily be fake/biased/engineered for you to think XYZ opinion, is pointless?
We have no way what so ever of verifying any of these sources/don't live there/haven't been affected by it, so how can people feel so entitled to talk about it let alone give an opinion? Mental. They weren't there, have no way of proving anything.
That entitled mindset just stinks of narcissism and having a god complex, as if their opinion matters, spouting speculation/taking XZY side about XZY when not qualified in any way what so ever to discuss it, ironically to more people who also weren't there.
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I disagree. There are a lot of people on here with a lot of knowledge and actual experience of topics at hand. Whether in a thread like this it's military matters (ex/current servicemen), political history, history of regions in question or first hand connections with the country and it's people.
Talking on a forum like this is the antithesis of just getting your information from a prescribed and sanitised source, and discussing different interpretations of information is at the heart of not being indoctrinated to one point of view.
So after wasting time writing about others wasting time...it boils down to actually being a troll post.
We should have waited for hitler to invade us in WW2 as it was none of our business before that point..right?
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It's just inclusion. It feels nice to have friends that justify your opinion. Doesn't matter if right or wrong or what subject it is.
The American election thing is a particularly stooopid thing to get excited about as literally 99.99% of is can't even vote. I assume there's a few yanks here
The American election thing is a particularly stooopid thing to get excited about as literally 99.99% of is can't even vote. I assume there's a few yanks here
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I was asking a question in a discussion thread, so it's 1 rule for 1 and 1 for the other?
You sound very triggered. So only entitled people quoting journalism/google can discuss things/have opinions?
Right my bad, I've got to claim I know everything that I never witnessed before I can ask about why those people feel so entitled to wrongly 'educate' other people/argue...
You just proved my point
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I'm not sure oblivious happiness is truly happiness, you can achieve the same thing at the bottom of a bottle or high off drugs... I'd say if that works for them I'm happy for them but more often than not they are often a menace to those around them as well.
I don't agree with the approach everyone takes in this thread, especially when it is swallowing the propaganda on either side or engaging in basically war porn, but with stuff like this it is better it is discussed even if there is little most of us can do here because there is a chance that sooner or later it will touch our lives directly and it is almost always better to see that coming.
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I'm all for people to discuss stuff relating to actual experience. But it has to be up to date and constant, not just 'it once was like this so probs is now' type bias/vague speculation. First hand experience with that matter at hand, or it is just speculation/bias/grabbing at straws.
But all these 'sources' are just controlled media or idiots of XYZ apposing opinions being bigots on social media claiming their opinion means anything because they have followers/write for XYZ opinion bias media source.
Sources that we will never have any proof of legitimacy/bias. And the whole side taking thing is ridiculous, I remember thinking what if I just didn't agree with either opinion?
But it's all forced side taking and dick waving who's better/right. When we don't know, we're not there.
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But if you are taking gear/drinking you are more than likely aware and using that to mask/forget XYZ problem, that's a lot different to literally not knowing about something?
I just think it's very narcissistic to have zero first hand experience on something yet consider yourself as the oracle and go on a god complex rampage saying XZY person/thing is wrong and you're right, all based on literal copy and paste engineered usually biased controlled media (that wasn't a dig at you mate, just speaking in general relating to my original post)
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I think you just have to accept it and self edit to try and avoid.
But the op account of this thread on ignore and it all disappears.
It literally is what it is. I do it now and then. It's not really a discussion thread....
You could start a thread/PhD on human nature and discussion on the internet.
It would be pretty interesting. It's probably been done to death.
I think you just have to accept it and self edit to try and avoid.
But the op account of this thread on ignore and it all disappears.
It literally is what it is.
I do it now and then. It's not really a discussion thread....You could start a thread/PhD on human nature and discussion on the internet.
It would be pretty interesting. It's probably been done to death.
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