Full EV Woes!

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SexyGreyFox said:
EV Database says 125 which is nearly bang on.

City - Cold Weather *180 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *125 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *150 mi

City - Mild Weather *270 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *160 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *205 mi
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that is afaik the newer car with slightly larger battery. the one in OP is the older car i suspect, which according to EV database is 115 miles winter highway, which groks as that does tend to be pessimistic rather than optimistic.

City - Cold Weather *165 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *115 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *135 mi

City - Mild Weather *245 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *145 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *185 mi
 
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bigmike20vt said:
that is afaik the newer car with slightly larger battery. the one in OP is the older car i suspect, which according to EV database is 115 miles winter highway, which groks as that does tend to be pessimistic rather than optimistic.

City - Cold Weather *165 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *115 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *135 mi

City - Mild Weather *245 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *145 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *185 mi
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It’s worth reading the small print also. EV database considers cold weather to be -10C which we seldom see here.

Mild weather is 23C which we also don’t see sustained temperatures that high very often although it’s getting more frequent.
 
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With the public charging infrastructure as it is and the in car navigation systems not great at routing you to the best charging sites, you need to plan your own charging ahead of starting the journey.

EV's and the charging infrastructure will develop and improve.
Same as mobile phones which were poor in the 1990's and first gen LCD TV's cost £50k and were useless compared to the £300 42" TV's of today.... for example :)
The only difference now to back then.... there wasn't internet and social media for everyone to vent their complaints ! :cry:
 
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SDK^ said:
With the public charging infrastructure as it is and the in car navigation systems not great at routing you to the best charging sites, you need to plan your own charging ahead of starting the journey.
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The frustration for the OP being that he presumably had done this to at least some extent but without the expectation that his 200 mile range car would actually only manage 120 miles on a cold motorway trip.
 
SDK^ said:
With the public charging infrastructure as it is and the in car navigation systems not great at routing you to the best charging sites, you need to plan your own charging ahead of starting the journey.

EV's and the charging infrastructure will develop and improve.
Same as mobile phones which were poor in the 1990's and first gen LCD TV's cost £50k and were useless compared to the £300 42" TV's of today.... for example :)
The only difference now to back then.... there wasn't internet and social media for everyone to vent their complaints ! :cry:
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Yes, the problem isn't really with the cars, although some are better than others. The problem is that public charging infrastructure is ****.
Really you need most car parking to end up with a charger on it, and a common billing platform, and rapid chargers on motorways, then the range problem goes away.

Probably 5+ years to go before I can consider an EV with no charging at home. Although someone round the corner has fitted a charger to the front of their house.....you've no right to be able to park there and use it.
 
Kenai said:
The frustration for the OP being that he presumably had done this to at least some extent but without the expectation that his 200 mile range car would actually only manage 120 miles on a cold motorway trip.
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We had our holiday and after we came back to blighty we got in the car and found a charging place with 4 chargers. Now this is the crappy thing, 3 of the 4 chargers were out of service and we called the help line on the chargers to see if they could reboot them to get them working, they said they have hard faults and are awaiting an engineer to visit and repair them. this left only 1 working charger and there was a car charging and another car waiting to charge before us. We had to wait for over 90mins before we could even plug in our car to start charging. Now this was over 90p per kw and it gave us 120 miles range on 50kw total
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A check on ZapMap prior to going to the charging site would have likely shown the chargers broken and the remaining one being in use, so could have diverted to another charging site,.... helpful to know this before starting the car :)
Charging cost info is available on these apps
 
mid_gen said:
Yes, the problem isn't really with the cars, although some are better than others. The problem is that public charging infrastructure is ****.
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I find the public charging fine - because I plan and use the large charging sites on my route, and not rely on the car routing me to a lamp post charger on a backstreet :p
 
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SDK^ said:
I find the public charging fine - because I plan and use the large charging sites on my route, and not rely on the car routing me to a lamp post charger on a backstreet :p
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No chargers at my work, and no ****** way I am stopping on my commute to charge. I'd have an EV yesterday if charging was up to it, but it's not even close to being good enough at the moment.
 
Shock horror as EV doesn't have the actual range as stated.

Not really sure the point of this thread?
 
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No chargers at my work, and no ****** way I am stopping on my commute to charge. I'd have an EV yesterday if charging was up to it, but it's not even close to being good enough at the moment.
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How far is your commute to work?

For sure, there are edge vehicle travel scenario's/use cases which don't apply to EV's and the charging doesn't cover every part of the UK.
Probably similar to when ICE cars first went mainstream - e.g. no fuel stations in every city/town/village

These type of issues arise from lack of research and planning.
If you need to daily travel long distances, with no charging available then don't buy an EV yet ! Buy the car which works for your use case :)

Complaining about it after, just shows you bought an expensive item with no knowledge of how it works.
 
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You need to take "tested" efficiency figures (ICE or EV) as a measure of comparison, rather than absolutes.

Compare one to the other with the figures, but don't expect real-world results to tally.
 
I sympathise with the OP but what this also highlights is why anyone would make such an expensive purchase without some basic research. A very quick google of "real range of Mokka Electric" brought me to EVDB and showed winter motorway range to be 110 miles. I have also set a minimum limit of 200 winter and 250 summer miles, which most decent (and relatively cheap) EVs should do.
 
paradigm said:
You need to take "tested" efficiency figures (ICE or EV) as a measure of comparison, rather than absolutes.

Compare one to the other with the figures, but don't expect real-world results to tally.
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Exactly - WLTP range numbers always have numerous caveats and warnings - it's isn't a number which is achievable in all driving conditions and styles.
It's a comparison range, in perfect, ideal, lab conditions
 
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SDK^ said:
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A check on ZapMap prior to going to the charging site would have likely shown the chargers broken and the remaining one being in use, so could have diverted to another charging site,.... helpful to know this before starting the car :)
Charging cost info is available on these apps
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There are 12 open to all 250kw Tesla superchargers at Heathrow airport on Bath road where all the main car parks and hotels are.

61p/kwh too for other EVs between 11am and 7pm and 55p outside of these times. I think you have to pay a £5 parking charge to access the car park they are in which is a bit of a **** take, it used to be free for an hour. That said, before the parking charge they were very busy with locals and Taxis, not so much anymore.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Funny isnt it, thats how i feel about fuel now.
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I think we've argued about this before :p (and I say this as a person looking to get another EV) but nothing beats the convenience of a 5 minute fuel stop. 5 minutes and I've just added 500+ miles. Yes it's great being able to wake up to a car that's both "full" and warm in the morning having charged on the drive, but it hasn't added 500+ miles. It also glosses over the fact that it takes hours to charge overnight ready for the start of a long journey, and depending on the battery size and how you've used the car leading up to that point, you're looking at 7-10 hours to charge. If you have to run out somewhere for some rare emergency, you're stealing range and time from the next day, meaning you'll have to visit a rapid charger for 15-20 minutes before you start the journey.

Don't get me wrong, I know EVs have this compromise, and I'm willing to accept it (and a lot of the public very quickly need to accept this will be the new normal); I just don't get the aversion to fuel stations.
 
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