Full EV Woes!

[Ace Modder]

I have a feeling they were picking new so they could prove EVs were too expensive and that £30k only gets you something like the Mokka-E. A 1 year old MG4 extended range with sub 10k miles can be bought for £21k.

Though a 1 year old eC4 or Mokka-E can be yours for £15k as long as it is not your only family car. Frankly if you pay buy such an expensive thing as a car (especially an EV) without doing some basic research on the car and on public charging, then the problem ain't the EV.

You seemingly missed the point the car was bought almost 3 years ago, there weren't really any used EV cars on the market when the thing was purchased.

 

[ICDP]

You seemingly missed the point the car was bought almost 3 years ago, there weren't really any used EV cars on the market when the thing was purchased.

My response was to your and Silvagti's posts that "right now" you need to spend £40k for an EV to get 200 miles of range. This is demonstrably false at current prices. There are a few option for EVs with 200+ miles of range for ~£30k and even more for sub £40k.

I don’t have one currently but looking at EVs right now it seems as though if you want something with a decent actual real world range (~200 miles) then you need to buy a near £40k car.

Any EV less than £30k with a ‘claimed’ 200 mile WLTP range is basically just a city car as it’ll potentially only be good for 120-150 miles.

Pretty much yeah. £40k seems to be the sweet spot for getting a reasonable ranged car in EV land.

 

[Ace Modder]

My response was to your and Silvagti's post that you need to spend £40k for an EV to get 200 miles of range. This is demonstrably false at current prices.

But thats partially due to inflation recently, for example our Mokka-e was £27k new when it was bought, now the same car is £37k at Vauxhall, the point stands that £37k is quite unobtainable for many people, yes there is the used market also.

But the benefits of EV at £37k or whatever figure we want to go for vs a petrol car at the same price is not good reading typically. The MG4 is the major exception and seems to get over most of the range issues etc, however even that car is only showing 190 miles range on motorway in cold weather too, still p*ss poor in my opinion when the car is £36.5k to buy.

This car didnt even exist when my wife bought her car in Sep 2021 anyway.

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[b0rn2sk8]

admittedly we didnt go to another charger place, but this was the 3rd one we went too in the area. They were all similiar situations.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Tesla chargers only compatible with Tesla cars, thats what my wife seems to understand as she once tried to charge at a Tesla station when she first got the car and couldn't as the adapters were not compatible with her car.

Personally I have never tried a Tesla charger on her car, because of what she told me. I think I have only charged her car publically 4 times myself in 2.5 years, she does ofc far more often.

There are 37ish Tesla sites open to all EVs nationwide, including the one at Heathrow airport on Bath road.

Download the Tesla app, create an account, click charge your non-Tesla and check the map.

The likes of zap map also flag Tesla sites open to all.

 

[Ace Modder]

Same thing for the Tesla snobs.

185 miles only on their £40k model which somebody banded around earlier.

and only 155 miles on their even more pricey car.

 

[SDK^]

It's about 60 miles each way, motorway. No charging at work. No charging at home. I'm not adding 20 minutes or whatever to my commuted to get rinsed at a motorway charger.

I'm not complaining about it after, I haven't bought an EV.....because the charging infrastructure is still ****.

Many EV's today can do this daily mileage - you wouldn't even need to touch pubic charging.
Get on Octopus Intelligent and you can have cheap charging and enough hours to go from 0-100%

 

[mid_gen]

Many EV's today can do this daily mileage - you wouldn't even need to touch pubic charging.
Get on Octopus Intelligent and you can have cheap charging and enough hours to go from 0-100%

No charging at home.

I'm not having a moan btw, the state of charging is what it is. I evaluated the options, and bought a diesel that'll do me for the next five years. Hopefully charging will be better by then!

 

[Maccy]

Seriously?
So if you bought an ICE car where they stated it did 50mpg and it only did 25mpg you'd wonder what's the point of this thread?

You're missing the point - it's commonly known that EVs never make their claimed mileage...

Try reading it and you will get to grips with it.

...and I did read the whole thing, and I still don't see the point of the OP? Shock horror as EV doesn't make claimed range - you even said in your OP that the car typically only has a range of 160 miles and the journey was 160 miles, so what did you think would happen for your return journey?!

 

[Ace Modder]

Many EV's today can do this daily mileage - you wouldn't even need to touch pubic charging.
Get on Octopus Intelligent and you can have cheap charging and enough hours to go from 0-100%

Thats another point Octopus do not support Vauxhall cars yet on this plan, we are with Octopus Go which is just standard 9p kw between 00:30am and 04:30am daily.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

It's about 60 miles each way, motorway. No charging at work. No charging at home. I'm not adding 20 minutes or whatever to my commuted to get rinsed at a motorway charger.

I'm not complaining about it after, I haven't bought an EV.....because the charging infrastructure is still ****.

Im reading this as 'because i dont have chargers at work'

If infrastructure is **** or amazing you still stop for 20mins...

 

[Ace Modder]

You're missing the point - it's commonly known that EVs never make their claimed mileage...

...and I did read the whole thing, and I still don't see the point of the OP? Shock horror as EV doesn't make claimed range - you even said in your OP that the car typically only has a range of 160 miles and the journey was 160 miles, so what did you think would happen for your return journey?!

Are you trying to be stupid? The whole post is about how EV cars seems not fit for purpose unless you only want a little city car. They often struggle with long distances, mostly due to the limited charging network outside of a few major places. Do you have an EV car? I guess not, so you have no personal experience of EV cars.

 

[Maccy]

Are you trying to be stupid? The whole post is about how EV cars seems not fit for purpose unless you only want a little city car. They often struggle with long distances, mostly due to the limited charging network outside of a few major places. Do you have an EV car? I guess not, so you have no personal experience of EV cars.

Giving off the insults now? Nice one.

It's completely irrelevant if I have or don't have an EV car - I still fail to see the point of your thread/rant, when there's an existing EV thread which has covered this topic?! I don't see why you're surprised when you know that your EV only has a real world range of 160 miles and your journey was 160 miles. Coupled with the fact that range of an EV is significanly reduced on motorway journeys, it seems rather silly to have taken said vehicle on this occasion, no?

 

[ICDP]

But thats partially due to inflation recently, for example our Mokka-e was £27k new when it was bought, now the same car is £37k at Vauxhall, the point stands that £37k is quite unobtainable for many people, yes there is the used market also.

But the benefits of EV at £37k or whatever figure we want to go for vs a petrol car at the same price is not good reading typically. The MG4 is the major exception and seems to get over most of the range issues etc, however even that car is only showing 190 miles range on motorway in cold weather too, still p*ss poor in my opinion when the car is £36.5k to buy.

This car didnt even exist when my wife bought her car in Sep 2021 anyway.

Read my post again, because you and Silvgati were both specifically posting about TODAYS EV prices. So what your Mokka cost 3 years ago is not relevant.

Also you have given the prices for the extended range MG4, the sub £30k MG4 is the "Long Range". You were not specific about your "200 miles of range" either but that EVDB winter range you are showing, is on a motorway at -10c, did you note the asterisk, it means look at the footnote?. Here in the UK for late Feb, you would typcially be driving in temperatures maybe 15c higher than that EVDB cold weather test result. That would add ~15% range to the number, because -10c is pretty much near the worst conditions for an EV.

For example my I-Pace according to EVDB will only do 170 motorway miles in winter at -10c. Yet I know from experience it will actually give about 200 motorway miles, because our winters rarely ever get to -10c and ~5c is more typical. Similarly our Volvo C40 Single motor EVDB states will give 145 winter miles, but we typically get about 165ish estimated on a motorway trip and that has no heat pump.

An MG4 Long Range would give about 185ish miles of motorway range at 5c in Feb here in the UK and well over 200 combined miles.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Same thing for the Tesla snobs.

185 miles only on their £40k model which somebody banded around earlier.



and only 155 miles on their even more pricey car.

The small print is key, it’s 70mph at minus 10 Celsius which is seldom seen in the U.K.

The model 3 SR will absolutely do 200 miles in all but the most dire U.K. weather if driven within the legal limits.

I have owned one and driven it across the country and Europe. I regularly used to drive to family 195 miles away, the lowest SOC I’ve had on arrival is 16%, in the summer it’s in the mid 20’s.

 

[Uther]

Pretty much yeah. £40k seems to be the sweet spot for getting a reasonable ranged car in EV land.

And you might as well buy a V12 Jag if it's going to work out at 18mpg anyway...

 

[Demon]

But thats partially due to inflation recently, for example our Mokka-e was £27k new when it was bought, now the same car is £37k at Vauxhall, the point stands that £37k is quite unobtainable for many people, yes there is the used market also.

But the benefits of EV at £37k or whatever figure we want to go for vs a petrol car at the same price is not good reading typically. The MG4 is the major exception and seems to get over most of the range issues etc, however even that car is only showing 190 miles range on motorway in cold weather too, still p*ss poor in my opinion when the car is £36.5k to buy.

This car didnt even exist when my wife bought her car in Sep 2021 anyway.

Same thing for the Tesla snobs.

185 miles only on their £40k model which somebody banded around earlier.

You are hung up on range to price, this is literally the most non-sensical relationship you can have with an EV..

The new i5 M60 is £100k and still only does 190 miles at -10C @ 70mph, the same as the MG4 Extended Range.

In most other conditions it will go further, but only 240 miles best case on a motorway in nice weather..


This is a compromise of an EV and why it's got a completely different 'refuelling' strategy and requirements to ICE cars.

If you truly think EVs should beat ICE cars on every front or they are **** poor, then just step away from EVs and let those that do understand them use them..

90% of EV owners would buy another, which just means you are in the 10% and as mentioned, that's fine, they aren't for everyone.. I've had public charging headaches with the ID.3, which is why when travelling more and more in an EV I switched to Tesla..

With the Tesla, I don't need to care it can only do 195 miles in the dead of winter on a motorway, or 250+ miles in milder conditions because the car sorts out charging stops for me, and is very accurate.. I'm OK on the occasionally longer trip stopping every 140 miles (2 hours) and the Tesla automatically knows how many stalls are available and can do it's best to ensure you just rock up and charge.. and if once in a while I have to wait, then I have to balance that inconvenience with the rest of the time when it refuels itself overnight whilst I'm asleep with less than 2p/mile fuel costs..

Each to their own..

 

[Demon]

Many EV's today can do this daily mileage - you wouldn't even need to touch pubic charging.
Get on Octopus Intelligent and you can have cheap charging and enough hours to go from 0-100%

OI only gives 6 hours @ 7kw, so 42kwh added.. which is more than enough for 120 miles in any condition in most EVs, but not enough for 0-100% in a single overnight session guaranteed..

But think of the fuel saving.. 2p/mile vs 15p/mile in a average ICE? or £18 a day vs £2.40.. or annually (250 working days), £4.5K vs £600

If you can get an EV On Salary Sacrifice at a reasonable rate (all inclusive of insurance, maintenance etc) this might be tempting..

 

[paradigm]

OI only gives 6 hours @ 7kw, so 42kwh added.. which is more than enough for 120 miles in any condition in most EVs, but not enough for 0-100% in a single overnight session guaranteed..

It is true that it's not "guaranteed" however I'm yet to experience a period where I haven't been given additional hours when the car is connected for charging.

 

[ICDP]

The small print is key, it’s 70mph at minus 10 Celsius which is seldom seen in the U.K.

The model 3 SR will absolutely do 200 miles in all but the most dire U.K. weather if driven within the legal limits.

I have owned one and driven it across the country and Europe. I regularly used to drive to family 195 miles away, the lowest SOC I’ve had on arrival is 16%, in the summer it’s in the mid 20’s.

I remember doing a 150 mile round trip in my I-Pace at up to 75mph (Republic of Ireland roads) in sleet and rain at -3c and on the way there it predicted 187 miles of total range for 2.2 mi/kWh. On the way back it is overall up hill but the sleet stopped and the temperature increased to 3c giving 2.4 mi/kW. Neither are great but it just shows that even a 6c increase in temperature an no rain would give ~7% extra efficiency. Going from -10c to typical +5c late Feb UK temperatures will give at least ~15% better range than those EVDB predictions in my experience.

 

[mid_gen]

Im reading this as 'because i dont have chargers at work'

If infrastructure is **** or amazing you still stop for 20mins...

I absolutely will stop for 20 minutes on my commute to work. Full stop.

Either charging improves and I can charge reliably at home or my destination, or I stick with ICE.