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AMD Zen 5 rumours

JediFragger said:
5800X3D still doing incredibly well tbf!!
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Still uses less total power than the 9600X by about 18w too!

With me only playing DayZ and a little GTA V (Offline) this 5800X3D is doing really well in these 2 titles.. my next upgrade will be GPU so waiting to see what next gens bring.. really hoping for the 8800XT to land in Jan 2025 so i can grab one of those. Then i will look at the AM5 options 'if' i really need to upgrade.
 
TonTom said:
I guess I won’t be upgrading from AM4.
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5800X3D will go down as the greatest CPU AMD ever made.

I’ve got quite a few old AMD processors including things that were really high end in their day like the FX-57/60 which were amazing at the time but they rapidly became obsolete. The 5800X3D is going to stay relevant as a gaming CPU for a good while yet I reckon.
 
Nitefly said:
Unless gaming at ‘high settings’ at 4k, maybe?

There’s scope for it mattering more on ‘lower’ GPU settings I think.
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You will still drop performance compared to a 7000 or 9000X3D. I doubt you would drop a huge amount of performance like a GPU tier or more we see at lower settings, but it might not be worth buying say a 4080 FE card over anything else.
 
rare said:
5800X3D will go down as the greatest CPU AMD ever made.

I’ve got quite a few old AMD processors including things that were really high end in their day like the FX-57/60 which were amazing at the time but they rapidly became obsolete. The 5800X3D is going to stay relevant as a gaming CPU for a good while yet I reckon.
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Surely that depends on use case?
If you do video encoding or other "productivity" work the 5800X, 5900X and 5950X would've been better even at release and now you have all the 7000 series CPUs too.
If you're considering gaming then the 7800X3D and 7950X3D are probably better aren't they?
 
Mik3 said:
Ah thanks pal, I'm looking forward to upgrading my 5800H mini PC, these ryzen ai 300 chips are very impressive.
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Something of interest, its possible Ryzen Ai mini pcs may appear October after all still take this news with some salt. I still reckon early next year but lets see.

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Wonder if we will see a Steam Deck 2 any time soon, given the evolution here, and the general power consumption under load of desktop Zen 5?

Given the mobile chips tend to be more monolithic, would be interesting to see how well optimised Valve and AMD could cook up a SD replacement this generation.
 
I know Valve said it'll be a while but I'd be surprised if they weren't working in it now, they need to source and spec the chips after all.

I don't have time to but it'd be interesting to see the lag from the original deck vs when we first heard of the relevant chip, then we could fudge some numbers, make some assumptions, and guess what the next one will be
 
Alexrose1uk said:
Wonder if we will see a Steam Deck 2 any time soon, given the evolution here, and the general power consumption under load of desktop Zen 5?

Given the mobile chips tend to be more monolithic, would be interesting to see how well optimised Valve and AMD could cook up a SD replacement this generation.
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The Z1 Extreme used in the Asus and Lenovo handhelds is already pretty power efficient under load due to the use of 4x Zen 4C cores alongside 4x Zen 4, where it needs improvement is low load and idle power consumption.

At 30-35 watt it isn't far behind the desktop 5800 parts.
 
Alexrose1uk said:
Wonder if we will see a Steam Deck 2 any time soon, given the evolution here, and the general power consumption under load of desktop Zen 5?

Given the mobile chips tend to be more monolithic, would be interesting to see how well optimised Valve and AMD could cook up a SD replacement this generation.
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The AI 300 cpus look a solid candidate for SD2.
 
the cynic in me wonders if amd knows that the node that zen 5 is on, is unstable, hence why the performance has been sandbagged to 65w tdp...to reduce the risk of premature chip failures
 
Personally, I think the click bait reviews are mis-placed and much ado about nothing beyond seeking names in lights. Its becoming a tired old trope.

If it were a car manufacturer that turned round and said: "here's our new car model redesign ... we put a new engine in it, it has around the same driving performance, but uses 16% less fuel to do that, oh, and we we took a little off the RRP compared to the old model's RRP" there would be general positivity around it. Yet here in the computer enthusiast world its a flippin disaster ??? They've acheived a similar performance using less power ... that is an improvement.

Yes, of course you can buy an equivalent older model for less, just like you could buy an older pre-registered car for les+ ... or an older, higher specced model for the same price, there is nothing new to this situation.

Maybe I'm just getting tired of whining by tech-tubers.
 
tamzzy said:
the cynic in me wonders if amd knows that the node that zen 5 is on, is unstable, hence why the performance has been sandbagged to 65w tdp...to reduce the risk of premature chip failures
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Three points spring to mind,
Why would AMD do that?
Why wouldn’t they hard lock the TDP?
Why not just save a fortune and keep selling Zen4?
 
Donnie Fisher said:
Personally, I think the click bait reviews are mis-placed and much ado about nothing beyond seeking names in lights. Its becoming a tired old trope.

If it were a car manufacturer that turned round and said: "here's our new car model redesign ... we put a new engine in it, it has around the same driving performance, but uses 16% less fuel to do that, oh, and we we took a little off the RRP compared to the old model's RRP" there would be general positivity around it. Yet here in the computer enthusiast world its a flippin disaster ??? They've acheived a similar performance using less power ... that is an improvement.

Yes, of course you can buy an equivalent older model for less, just like you could buy an older pre-registered car for les+ ... or an older, higher specced model for the same price, there is nothing new to this situation.

Maybe I'm just getting tired of whining by tech-tubers.
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The old model is still cheaper hence the reason why all advice is to buy a 7700x or 7700 instead of the new stuff.

Also your car analogy doesn't work because you didn't mention what the car is used for. In terms of gamers, that would be a drag strip car - because we only care about performance, top speed is what we want, more frames. So you give me a car that's 7% more efficient but it's no faster than my current one and I'm like... uh ok, but that's a pointless product for me unless I had to buy my first car or my old one was broken and the extra efficiency is completely lost on the depreciation of my current car and the price of buying the new one, the fuel/electricity is still cheaper


The only people really interested in getting rid of their current car for one that's 7% more efficient but otherwise identical is taxi companies. And for us gamers, we don't care about taxis/businesses uses, that's boring, that's why the reviews are negative, it's a boring product
 
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