AMD Zen 5 rumours

[Calin Banc]

As long as current pace is kept I don't see why not. 9700X with 8 cores can already match 12 cores of my cpu in rendering. Single core is 35% better. 2-3 more gens we might be there.

Is rendering your thing? If gaming is, then is only about 15% on average with a 4090 at 1080p. If you compare it with a 5800x3d is 4.7%. 7800x3d is 107,9 % faster...

AMD has announced a re-name of Zen5.

The architecture is now called: Zen5%

Let's hope this isn't the start of AMD's "Intelification".

You will still drop performance compared to a 7000 or 9000X3D. I doubt you would drop a huge amount of performance like a GPU tier or more we see at lower settings, but it might not be worth buying say a 4080 FE card over anything else.

I'm running a 4080 with a 5800x3d and the limit is still the GPU with high settings and high resolution. Probably even 2x the power and the graphics card is still the limit so for - at least for a decent coded game.

LE: Lol, 5800x3d is actually a bit faster at 4k stoc vs stoc - margin of error for sure, but still funny! )))))

 

[jigger]

The old model is still cheaper hence the reason why all advice is to buy a 7700x or 7700 instead of the new stuff.

Also your car analogy doesn't work because you didn't mention what the car is used for. In terms of gamers, that would be a drag strip car - because we only care about performance, top speed is what we want, more frames. So you give me a car that's 7% more efficient but it's no faster than my current one and I'm like... uh ok, but that's a pointless product for me unless I had to buy my first car or my old one was broken

Apart from Zen5 actually being faster.

 

[jigger]

Is rendering your thing? If gaming is, then is only about 15% on average with a 4090 at 1080p. If you compare it with a 5800x3d is 4.7%. 7800x3d is 107,9 % faster...

Let's hope this isn't the start of AMD's "Intelification".



I'm running a 4080 with a 5800x3d and the limit is still the GPU with high settings and high resolution. Probably even 2x the power and the graphics card is still the limit so for - at least for a decent coded game.

LE: Lol, 5800x3d is actually a bit faster at 4k stoc vs stoc - margin of error for sure, but still funny! )))))

I don’t have 5800X3D, but when I was looking a 5700X3D it was dropping around 15% give or take compared to the 7000X3D parts.

 

[TNA]

Is rendering your thing? If gaming is, then is only about 15% on average with a 4090 at 1080p. If you compare it with a 5800x3d is 4.7%. 7800x3d is 107,9 % faster...

Let's hope this isn't the start of AMD's "Intelification".



I'm running a 4080 with a 5800x3d and the limit is still the GPU with high settings and high resolution. Probably even 2x the power and the graphics card is still the limit so for - at least for a decent coded game.

LE: Lol, 5800x3d is actually a bit faster at 4k stoc vs stoc - margin of error for sure, but still funny! )))))

Not necessarily my thing. But it is a metric I like to use

As for gaming, it is the main reason I am in no rush to upgrade what I have. I am not one for huge numbers with fps. Give me at least 60 and I am good. If it cannot do that on a regular basis then yeah, an upgrade is needed. I can always go to a 5800x3D temporarily if needed. I am sure they will be dirt cheap by the time that happens.

The only game I ever actually felt a bottle neck on my CPU is Spiderman miles morales. But even then I was hitting 60 as I recall.

 

[throwaway4372]

stop quoting the burj chartlifa

 

[humbug]

Is rendering your thing? If gaming is, then is only about 15% on average with a 4090 at 1080p. If you compare it with a 5800x3d is 4.7%. 7800x3d is 107,9 % faster...

I don't think TPU's CPU slides are much use unfortunately, for example the have a 4.0 Ghz Zen 3 APU at 95% the gaming performance of a 4.9Ghz Zen 3 CPU, no come on.... they are trying to say that a £160 APU is the same performance as a CPU of the same generation clocked 30% higher, what were they using? a GTX 1050? And the whole chart is an anomaly along the same lines.

TPU have been criticized for this sort of nonsense more than once.

 

[Calin Banc]

I don’t have 5800X3D, but when I was looking a 5700X3D it was dropping around 15% give or take compared to the 7000X3D parts.

That' probably about right, more true at lower resolutions. The question is if it's worth it considering you have to pay the price of a CPU + a new decent MB + RAM - for 5800x3d i don't think it matters that much the speed of the RAM compared to regular non 3d chips, but i don't know how it is for 7xxx or how will be 9xxx series.

Not necessarily my thing. But it is a metric I like to use

As for gaming, it is the main reason I am in no rush to upgrade what I have. I am not one for huge numbers with fps. Give me at least 60 and I am good. If it cannot do that on a regular basis then yeah, an upgrade is needed. I can always go to a 5800x3D temporarily if needed. I am sure they will be dirt cheap by the time that happens.

The only game I ever actually felt a bottle neck on my CPU is Spiderman miles morales. But even then I was hitting 60 as I recall.

Normally you should compare it for your user case - I mean outside of some benchmark your care about for some reason or another. Couldn't care less of 16 cores or power use when already 5800x3d is super efficient - lolworthy intel with 14900k at 149w vs 5800x3d at 58w for less than 10% difference in gaming at 1080p or... 1% at 4k )

 

[Calin Banc]

I don't think TPU's CPU slides are much use unfortunately, for example the have a 4.0 Ghz Zen 3 APU at 95% the gaming performance of a 4.9Ghz Zen 3 CPU, no come on.... they are trying to say that a £160 APU is the same performance as a CPU of the same generation clocked 30% higher, what were they using? a GTX 1050? And the whole chart is an anomaly along the same lines.

TPU have been criticized for this sort of nonsense more than once.

How about your post? 5800x3d beats the 9700x stock at 1080p with a 4090...

 

[humbug]

How about your post? 5800x3d beats the 9700x stock at 1080p with a 4090...

That i can believe.

 

[Mik3]

Something of interest, its possible Ryzen Ai mini pcs may appear October after all still take this news with some salt. I still reckon early next year but lets see.

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Good news, maybe they will try to get some out for the Xmas sales.

 

[Rob_B]

Personally I need to see the PBO results for the 7000 chips in reviews otherwise the "with PBO the 9000 CPUs are better" is a bit pointless.

 

[Freddie1980]

Unless Intel pulls a rabbit out the bag I think I'll hold out for AM6 at this point, my good ol' 3600 still has some legs.

 

[jigger]

That' probably about right, more true at lower resolutions. The question is if it's worth it considering you have to pay the price of a CPU + a new decent MB + RAM - for 5800x3d i don't think it matters that much the speed of the RAM compared to regular non 3d chips, but i don't know how it is for 7xxx or how will be 9xxx series.



Normally you should compare it for your user case - I mean outside of some benchmark your care about for some reason or another. Couldn't care less of 16 cores or power use when already 5800x3d is super efficient - lolworthy intel with 14900k at 149w vs 5800x3d at 58w for less than 10% difference in gaming at 1080p or... 1% at 4k )

I’m pretty sure a 14900k even at 150watts would be there or there about in many games. For all Intels faults those 8 cores with SMT are pretty potent in the in the right situation.

Personally if I was building a system that’s main use is gaming and I’m spending silly money on a GPU I’m pairing it with 7800/7950XD and getting the 15% I paid for.

 

[Calin Banc]

I’m pretty sure a 14900k even at 150watts would be there or there about in many games. For all Intels faults those 8 cores with SMT are pretty potent in the in the right situation.

Personally if I was building a system that’s main use is gaming and I’m spending silly money on a GPU I’m pairing it with 7800/7950XD and getting the 15% I paid for.

Fair enough, but that 15% is in SOME circumstances. 5800x3d isn't really limiting my 4080...

 

[Armageus]

Unless Intel pulls a rabbit out the bag I think I'll hold out for AM6 at this point, my good ol' 3600 still has some legs.

Seems bonkers not to drop in some sort of 5xxx 8 core even if it's not a X3D.

 

[TrixP10]

Efficiency is the key.
Efficient cores = higher clocks and/or more cores.

AMD chips 6c or 8c
Best bin 8c go to server, next to 16 core desktop (2x8c), lowest bin single 8c desktop.
Best bin 12 core desktop (2x6). lowest bin single 6c desktop.

so 9600 / 9700 lowest bin Zen 5. Pricey to start, obviously. it's new.
No one has to buy it but they will. IMHO it's a smart chip but if you want a better binned Zen 5 it will cost you.

there's plenty of choice it's just some are better than others

 

[TNA]

Normally you should compare it for your user case - I mean outside of some benchmark your care about for some reason or another. Couldn't care less of 16 cores or power use when already 5800x3d is super efficient - lolworthy intel with 14900k at 149w vs 5800x3d at 58w for less than 10% difference in gaming at 1080p or... 1% at 4k )

Sure but gaming isn't my only use case. If it was I would never have got the 5900X

I am not about to lose 4 cores and end up with lower clocks just so some games bottle neck my gpu less. I will only get bothered if my CPU can't even hit 60 fps regularly.

 

[McGraw]

Is rendering your thing? If gaming is, then is only about 15% on average with a 4090 at 1080p. If you compare it with a 5800x3d is 4.7%. 7800x3d is 107,9 % faster...

Let's hope this isn't the start of AMD's "Intelification".



I'm running a 4080 with a 5800x3d and the limit is still the GPU with high settings and high resolution. Probably even 2x the power and the graphics card is still the limit so for - at least for a decent coded game.

LE: Lol, 5800x3d is actually a bit faster at 4k stoc vs stoc - margin of error for sure, but still funny! )))))

It's 7.9% faster

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Personally, I think the click bait reviews are mis-placed and much ado about nothing beyond seeking names in lights. Its becoming a tired old trope.

If it were a car manufacturer that turned round and said: "here's our new car model redesign ... we put a new engine in it, it has around the same driving performance, but uses 16% less fuel to do that, oh, and we we took a little off the RRP compared to the old model's RRP" there would be general positivity around it. Yet here in the computer enthusiast world its a flippin disaster ??? They've acheived a similar performance using less power ... that is an improvement.

Yes, of course you can buy an equivalent older model for less, just like you could buy an older pre-registered car for les+ ... or an older, higher specced model for the same price, there is nothing new to this situation.

Hardware Unboxed said there's hardly any difference in efficiency between the 7700 and 9700x.

The 3D chips will need to be noticeably better than these standard chips or it's going to look poor for all of Zen 5 IMO

 

[Tinek]

Hardware Unboxed said there's hardly any difference in efficiency between the 7700 and 9700x.

The 3D chips will need to be noticeably better than these standard chips or it's going to look poor for all of Zen 5 IMO

Daniel also noticed what could be called a trick by AMD's marketing similar to that Nvidia did last gen with naming:

Am I crazy? Ryzen 9600X and 9700X

Ryzen 9600X and 9700X reviews are out, and they can be a very mixed bag depending on which CPUs they were compared to and what types of workloads they used. ...

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Adjusting for the name it doesn't look nearly as impressive anymore.