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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

For me, Cinebench tells me 95% of the info I need to know about a CPU, single/multi performance and power/heat under load. Games generally run fine on any modern CPU's as dev's don't want to release a game that needs a top end CPU(would hurt sales). I think, an out-of-the-box review would be interesting, everything stock, no BIOS changes. I never buy top-end RAM and all reviews use it which gives results only a very small user base will ever get, most user don't know what XMP/EXPO is.
 
Picked up these interesting comments floating about from Robert Hallock.....

"Intel's Robert Hallock has confirmed that Intel's Core Ultra 200S series launch did not go as planned."

"According to Hallock, Arrow Lake's performance from third-party reviewers did not align with what Intel saw in its internal testing. Hallock noted a massive disconnect between third-party review performance and Intel's internal testing."

Oh, look....

 
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SpellowHouse said:
Picked up these interesting comments floating about from Robert Hallock.....

"Intel's Robert Hallock has confirmed that Intel's Core Ultra 200S series launch did not go as planned."

"According to Hallock, Arrow Lake's performance from third-party reviewers did not align with what Intel saw in its internal testing. Hallock noted a massive disconnect between third-party review performance and Intel's internal testing."
Oh, look....

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He could have said “we have horrible testing procedures”. Although my guess is they weren’t given enough time to test. This should not happen.
 
FredFlint said:
For me, Cinebench tells me 95% of the info I need to know about a CPU, single/multi performance and power/heat under load. Games generally run fine on any modern CPU's as dev's don't want to release a game that needs a top end CPU(would hurt sales). I think, an out-of-the-box review would be interesting, everything stock, no BIOS changes. I never buy top-end RAM and all reviews use it which gives results only a very small user base will ever get, most user don't know what XMP/EXPO is.
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Facts
 
Has anyone read or heard anything to suggest that this platform could be anything other than a single chip release.?
Something like an Intel roadmap could be a little more credible.?


Thanks
 
Vimes said:
Has anyone read or heard anything to suggest that this platform could be anything other than a single chip release.?
Something like an Intel roadmap could be a little more credible.?


Thanks
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The official Intel roadmap isn't very revealing - the known successor on this platform was cancelled (though that doesn't mean Intel won't change their mind/do something different). The subsequent entries on the roadmap have changes/features which almost certainly mean they will need a new socket, which suggests LGA1851 is not a long lasting platform.
 
Rroff said:
The official Intel roadmap isn't very revealing - the known successor on this platform was cancelled (though that doesn't mean Intel won't change their mind/do something different). The subsequent entries on the roadmap have changes/features which almost certainly mean they will need a new socket, which suggests LGA1851 is not a long lasting platform.
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Thanks, not encouraging at all.
 
Vimes said:
Thanks, not encouraging at all.
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Personally think it premature to call it either way, but that isn't encouraging for potential buyers. There are still rumours from fairly good sources as to a 12P/24T gaming CPU coming which may be LGA1700, 1851 or ported to both as well, which would technically be older design than Arrow Lake for many aspects but on paper could be significantly better for thread heavy games.
 
Yes, it is not as though it would be unreasonable to expect Intel to know if their next desktop CPU after Arrow Lake would be supported on the boards that have just been released.
Not only know, but also inform their potential customers.
 
Vimes said:
Has anyone read or heard anything to suggest that this platform could be anything other than a single chip release.?
Something like an Intel roadmap could be a little more credible.?


Thanks
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Leaked roadmaps show LGA-1851 is a two generation platform. Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake. Problem is, Meteor Lake should have launched a year ago, but was cancelled as it was a bit crap. So that just leaves Arrow Lake as the only CPU 'generation' on this platform.

I'm sure Intel will release a "refresh" of Arrow Lake, but this will only be a small clock speed bump, with no architecture change or improvement, so is doomed from the start. Reviews will prob be a little better as they'll have more games with the Intel gaming profile nonsense.
 
I am just waiting to see what happens.

Tempted by the 9800X3D, I am put off by the much heavier power consumption when idle. I know, I know, it's only an additional 20W, but my PC is on all the time, so power is a consideration.

Anyway, can't get a 9800X3D right now. Out of stock. Also, being "the only choice for the gamer" will keep prices high and availability low, whereas the Ultra is already as cheap as chips (forgive the pun) and available. The motherboards are cheap too, compared to AMD. I could do a move to the Ultra 7 for a lot less money than the 9800X3D. Or I could buy some very fast memory to compensate.

Although gaming performance is important, I don't game at 1080P and I only want to achieve the minimum refresh rate that find tolerable and both the 9800X3D and the intel will achieve that. The problem with the intel is there is no room for future improvement whereas the 9800X3D would benefit from a new graphics card later down the line.

What puzzles me about the Ultra is the way intel where caught off guard with the reviews. It seems obvious to me that something is very wrong here. They were expecting similar performance to the 14700K. So, part of me is waiting to see what their response is. I think that will be the deciding factor. If they do manage to raise gaming performance then this could still go intels way.
 
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Leaked roadmaps show LGA-1851 is a two generation platform. Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake. Problem is, Meteor Lake should have launched a year ago, but was cancelled as it was a bit crap. So that just leaves Arrow Lake as the only CPU 'generation' on this platform.

I'm sure Intel will release a "refresh" of Arrow Lake, but this will only be a small clock speed bump, with no architecture change or improvement, so is doomed from the start. Reviews will prob be a little better as they'll have more games with the Intel gaming profile nonsense.
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The refreshes to Alder Lake did not go too well, albeit Arrow Lake can probably scale better. But I would have concerns about investing in a new board and RAM for a platform that is believed to only have one CPU release scheduled for it.
I had hoped that Intel might have provided some information about the support for the 1851 socket and its potential longevity, in terms of future CPU releases. Guess not.....
 
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If it was a positive message they would have done so, therefore it's a negative message.
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That would be my take, so far. With the non-event of Meteor Lake I had hoped that a revised roadmap could be in the works to extend the life of the 1851 socket beyond a refresh.
At least my Z690 board is running well with DDR4, from my 9900k, and the 14700k CPU.
 
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