AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[SpellowHouse]

9800X3D is a great buy for £450 - I think by March it'll be back down to this level or possibly £430 with a free game.

At £540 it's just too close to 9950X3D price, which is a 16 core beast and on a different level.

I wouldn't call it great at that price. When you consider that it is only an 8 core cpu. Having said that, I would pay £450 for one. Just won't pay nearly £100 over the top for one!!!!

 

[Buckster]

9800X3D is a great buy for £450 - I think by March it'll be back down to this level or possibly £430 with a free game.

At £540 it's just too close to 9950X3D price, which is a 16 core beast and on a different level.

Where's the 9950x3d price listed ?

£450 for the 9800x3d feels like it includes a premium for being one of the best gaming CPUs even at that price

 

[DizzyZ]

9800X3D is a great buy for £450 - I think by March it'll be back down to this level or possibly £430 with a free game.

At £540 it's just too close to 9950X3D price, which is a 16 core beast and on a different level.

9950X3D is gonna have the same ccd parking issue that's been occurring on the last few gens so in terms of gaming it might not be that much better but I agree £540 is just taking the **** imo

 

[GoRedwings19]

I have never understood as cheap as the amd's are why people think it is expensive. Like I went 12,13,14 th gen and they were all at least 650 ish maybe more.

It has been so long since I bought a flagship intel CPU for 450 or less.

 

[Bidley]

I have never understood as cheap as the amd's are why people think it is expensive.

Because it's AMD.

The rising cost is because there's no competition and high demand. It'll go down closer to the original price later in the year, probably after the dust settles on the GPU launches.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Its already started dropping in price, not by much but its a start. Supply and demand, etc.

 

[Buckster]

Or £499 for 7800x3d lol ouch

 

[ViRuS2k]

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Hi there does anyone know why i cant get stable 2200 fclk im trying to get 1.1 ratio as its plenty for me.....
i dont know what voltages i need or what setting i need to change to get 2200 stable... i can get into windows but running cinebench causeing system to freeze.... also the memory i have is : gskill hynix memory, i dont even know what the highest safe voltage is for this memory, on a asus x870e hero with 9800x3d.
last motherboartd i had was a msi godlike x570 so im pretty new to all the advanced features of this motherboard....

 

[CraigT76]

Its already started dropping in price, not by much but its a start. Supply and demand, etc.

You mean profiteering?

 

[stooeh]

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Hi there does anyone know why i cant get stable 2200 fclk im trying to get 1.1 ratio as its plenty for me.....
i dont know what voltages i need or what setting i need to change to get 2200 stable... i can get into windows but running cinebench causeing system to freeze.... also the memory i have is : gskill hynix memory, i dont even know what the highest safe voltage is for this memory, on a asus x870e hero with 9800x3d.
last motherboartd i had was a msi godlike x570 so im pretty new to all the advanced features of this motherboard....

You can pump the ddr5 vdd voltage pretty high As for the FCLK well it probably depends on the CPU - you may just be unlucky and CPU cant run it. Have you tried running a 2:1 8000 setup instead since you can leave FCLK at 2000?

 

[ViRuS2k]

You can pump the ddr5 vdd voltage pretty high As for the FCLK well it probably depends on the CPU - you may just be unlucky and CPU cant run it. Have you tried running a 2:1 8000 setup instead since you can leave FCLK at 2000?

Haven't tried that yet i just thought there would have been a voltage settings to stabilise fclk as 2000 is good and 2100 is good and 2133 is good and so is 2133 but i thought 2200 is the best fclk for 6400 memory at 1.1 so i thought SOC voltage would have been the voltage to get higher fclk
also the voltage for DDR5 when tighting timings do i have to change all ddr voltages to be the same or just 1 voltage setting cause there is mem vddq and mem vdd and cpu vddio and mem vpp that shows as 1.8v on zen timings lol that to me seems high alsovdd misc whats that lol

dam i think im gonna have to have a look at some guides lol

 

[stooeh]

Haven't tried that yet i just thought there would have been a voltage settings to stabilise fclk as 2000 is good and 2100 is good and 2133 is good and so is 2133 but i thought 2200 is the best fclk for 6400 memory at 1.1 so i thought SOC voltage would have been the voltage to get higher fclk
also the voltage for DDR5 when tighting timings do i have to change all ddr voltages to be the same or just 1 voltage setting cause there is mem vddq and mem vdd and cpu vddio and mem vpp that shows as 1.8v on zen timings lol that to me seems high alsovdd misc whats that lol

dam i think im gonna have to have a look at some guides lol

In 1:1 best is the highest it will go I believe, so may as well try 2167 as well. Increasing vSOC helps increase UCLK but if needs 1.25v for 3200 then it's unlikey 1.3v will be enough for 3300 UCLK. Some of the other voltages may help but I'm not sure which and this chip does 6600 1:1 2200 FCLK at 1.285vsoc and 1.1 vddp

Spoiler

1.45 vddio

 

[jonneymendoza]

Is it day light robbery to buy this cpu when it's like 80 pounds ish more then when it was first launched?

 

[ViRuS2k]

In 1:1 best is the highest it will go I believe, so may as well try 2167 as well. Increasing vSOC helps increase UCLK but if needs 1.25v for 3200 then it's unlikey 1.3v will be enough for 3300 UCLK. Some of the other voltages may help but I'm not sure which and this chip does 6600 1:1 2200 FCLK at 1.285vsoc and 1.1 vddp

Spoiler

1.45 vddio

Thanks for the help,
do you have a rough idea all whet i can change to try for 3200 mclk and uclk and 2200 fclk and tighter memory
just need the volage names in my asus hero x870 bios so i know all what to change lol cause this board has so meny settings haha i dont want to go to high i be happy with 1.1 @6400 with 2200 fclk and 3200 mclk and uclk with say tcl 30 also whats that GDM setting for where is that in the bios and is it best to disable it..

 

[stooeh]

On Asus boards it's called something like ADDR_CMD_MODE and settting to Buf = Disabled, on my board it's just called Gear Down Mode I'm also not sure what they call voltages but my board just calls them VDD VDDQ and VDDIO. VDD Misc and VPP I just leave auto.
I can't really help with 2200 as your chip might not be able to do it but there's probably some other settings you can tweak for more perf. Not that familiar with how low diff settings on m-die can go compared to a-die for example tRFC will go 120ns or even lower if lucky on a-die but 150-160ns seems to be target for m-die (as yours likely is). 512 iis what you would set tRFC to for 160ns at 3200 MCLK and you can increase tREFI to 65535 max if RAM cool <50C or 50000 otherwise.

 

[GoRedwings19]

Because it's AMD.

The rising cost is because there's no competition and high demand. It'll go down closer to the original price later in the year, probably after the dust settles on the GPU launches.

That makes sense but only if you only using AMD cpu's but if you use both then generally speaking Intels are more expensive. If I am not mistaken and someone correct if I am wrong the release gap between the x3d cpu's are roughly 2 years give or take. While Intels are yearly.

So your perspective they are expensive. From mine it represents relative to intel upgrade cycle it's a bargain assuming that it will be another 2 years roughly before we will see another release. £450 over 2 years is £225 per year. Over the last 3 years on Intel (I was on Amd before that). My average is 650+ per year. I am pretty sure on the 12900k release I paid like 700-800 I can't remember. Ofc that is my fault for upgrading every year but I usually build 2 pc's per year and have done so for over decade. I think the demand will be relatively high for quite a bit yet as Intel won't release anything till late this year and even then they have to release something which is in somewhat comparable to the 9800x3D but also something which has not been misaligned with instability issues not that I encountered any when I had the 13900k/14900k.

Luckily when I sold my 14900k/z790 setup it almost covered the cost of the 9800x3d/am5 motherboard. I got 400 for the cpu and like 300 for the motherboard. And I still have the memory left over from that to sell.

 

[SpellowHouse]

That makes sense but only if you only using AMD cpu's but if you use both then generally speaking Intels are more expensive. If I am not mistaken and someone correct if I am wrong the release gap between the x3d cpu's are roughly 2 years give or take. While Intels are yearly.

So your perspective they are expensive. From mine it represents relative to intel upgrade cycle it's a bargain assuming that it will be another 2 years roughly before we will see another release. £450 over 2 years is £225 per year. Over the last 3 years on Intel (I was on Amd before that). My average is 650+ per year. I am pretty sure on the 12900k release I paid like 700-800 I can't remember. Ofc that is my fault for upgrading every year but I usually build 2 pc's per year and have done so for over decade. I think the demand will be relatively high for quite a bit yet as Intel won't release anything till late this year and even then they have to release something which is in somewhat compareable to the 9800x3D but also something which has not been misaligned with instability issues not that I encountered any when I had the 13900k/14900k.

It's interesting that you touch on a problem that I think many enthusiasts have - upgrading based on a calendar rather than performance. So many people, including myself, upgrade within a cycle that they pre-determine, irrespective of whether it's actually worth upgrading.

When I ask myself why, I sort of think that even a small upgrade is worth it because my PC is keeping pace with change. It's up to date. But that's really completely stupid since I usually end up buying a new motherboard and RAM and the cost is ridiculous for the % performance increase. What I am not doing is taking in to account that the rate of improvement is slowing and just isn't necessary any more to keep (particularly) CPU's up to date. I've just worked out a calendar cycle and sticking to it.. that is until intel messed up and made me rethink it all.

 

[Bidley]

That makes sense but only if you only using AMD cpu's but if you use both then generally speaking Intels are more expensive. If I am not mistaken and someone correct if I am wrong the release gap between the x3d cpu's are roughly 2 years give or take. While Intels are yearly.

So your perspective they are expensive. From mine it represents relative to intel upgrade cycle it's a bargain assuming that it will be another 2 years roughly before we will see another release. £450 over 2 years is £225 per year. Over the last 3 years on Intel (I was on Amd before that). My average is 650+ per year. I am pretty sure on the 12900k release I paid like 700-800 I can't remember. Ofc that is my fault for upgrading every year but I usually build 2 pc's per year and have done so for over decade. I think the demand will be relatively high for quite a bit yet as Intel won't release anything till late this year and even then they have to release something which is in somewhat comparable to the 9800x3D but also something which has not been misaligned with instability issues not that I encountered any when I had the 13900k/14900k.

Luckily when I sold my 14900k/z790 setup it almost covered the cost of the 9800x3d/am5 motherboard. I got 400 for the cpu and like 300 for the motherboard. And I still have the memory left over from that to sell.

I meant people think it's expensive because it's AMD.

 

[GoRedwings19]

It's interesting that you touch on a problem that I think many enthusiasts have - upgrading based on a calendar rather than performance. So many people, including myself, upgrade within a cycle that they pre-determine, irrespective of whether it's actually worth upgrading.

When I ask myself why, I sort of think that even a small upgrade is worth it because my PC is keeping pace with change. It's up to date. But that's really completely stupid since I usually end up buying a new motherboard and RAM and the cost is ridiculous for the % performance increase. What I am not doing is taking in to account that the rate of improvement is slowing and just isn't necessary any more to keep (particularly) CPU's up to date. I've just worked out a calendar cycle and sticking to it.. that is until intel messed up and made me rethink it all.

Tough to say really. I remember many moons ago that I never upgraded for like 5/6 years when I had the 2600k. What I do know is somewhere along the line after I did upgrade in the end I developed a, I wouldn't say a nasty habit as I loved building PC's but I did get into the routine of building of at least 2-3 pc's a year. Not for sale or profit or anything like that. I just loved to tinker.

Worse than that I got an addiction to collecting gpu's of the generation starting with the 10xx series on a small scale. I think I had like 5 1080ti from varying manufacturers and I skipped the 20xx series as I didn't see the necessity. But come the 3xxx and 4xxx series well lets just say it was a really bad addiction. While it didn't affect me health wise in the ways addiction can like alcohol, gambling or drugs I just could not stop collecting GPU's. It's still the same mentality. I don't think I will be as bad for the 5xxx series but that's more to do with I think a majority of them all look ugly as hell, not the cost aspect of it.

 

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but, the latency seems high to me @ 80ns. Would that cause a noticeable issue gaming (i don't have a GPU until thew 5090 release so can't test) and if yes, how would I lower the latency without getting bogged down too much ?