*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[ZG002]

I had a horrible thought, what if the delay is just so amd can add 3x and 4x modes to thier frame gen. Ai ******** frames for everyone!

The thought had crossed some people's minds.

We don't actually know which way these things are going to be reviewed but we do know Nvidia is likely to lean into frame gen numbers where ever they can.

 

[Martini1991]

It is an odd take.

People have been waiting to see what nvidia and amd were releasing since nov/dec last year. Tons of comments on Reddit or forums telling people to wait till CES before upgrading or building.

People can buy a 5070/5070ti in feb with known specs, rough performance expectations and nvidia brand perception (plus better AI, RT, etc)

Or wait till March for an unknown performance, unknown price 9070

Exactly this
There's literally expressions for going for the known not the unknown quantity

Something about a bird in hand or 2 in the bush

 

[Game]

The only way AMD can win now is removing review embargos and pricing this week before the 50 series hits

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Exactly this
There's literally expressions for going for the known not the unknown quantity

Something about a bird in hand or 2 in the bush

HUB have totally missed the point. Both companies usually release their new generations before Christmas to target the back to school season. This is the biggest sales period for dGPUs during the year. There are also some major games like the Monster Hunter Online update and the new Final Fantasy game coming out soon.
There is pent up demand.

Plenty of people are waiting to upgrade and AMD thinks people will wait for them.

There is zero guarantee if people wait until March, the cards will be priced well or whether there will be any stock. It could be pre-orders for many cards for another month or two. The HD7800XT had hardly any stock at many retailers for weeks.

 

[Bidley]

Cheque's in the post? Or are "tech-tubers" so aloof they've lost touch with reality? So many people have been planning for these cards to be released in January.

I think this disconnect has become a real problem for the entire industry. Was really exposed with the recent Battlemage reviews. These reviewers just aren't engaging with reality. Their review rigs always have insanely overkill components that almost nobody would pair with the GPU they are reviewing. Or they push people towards buying the brand new CPU based on a bar graph in a blender or cinebench benchmark, when in reality, what difference would you really see if you upgraded your CPU? The manufacturers now have to literally engineer their CPU's to get the biggest bar in order to "win" the silly game. How many people buy a 9800X3D to play games at 1080p? They've lost touch. This tweet is just par for the course.

INB4 "but that's the only way to review a GPU/CPU" - I understand the logic behind isolating the component you are reviewing, and that's fine. But people aren't buying these things to run benchmarks and input the numbers into excel. The point is that too many reviewers are out of touch with the everyday experience of PC users. I suppose it takes a special kind of person to sit down and repeatedly run the same test over and over again. The kind of person that might be better at reading numbers on a screen than real people's thoughts and emotions. But they keep getting clicks and sponsors, so good for them...

This tweet just shows a lack of empathy with people. Or betrays some kind of bias. Or perhaps even both. I'm not sure which is worse.

This industry...

I thought the hyperbole had reached critical mass, then this.

 

[harmattan]

I can't believe we'll be waiting until March for this card. By then nV will have had stock in channel and a huge % of people will have just bought a 5-series. They should launch sooner, ideally right after 5070 is launched to capitalize on nV's arrogance in price/performance.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The only way AMD can win now is removing review embargos and pricing this week before the 50 series hits

Cant see that. The mcafee fella seems to want to share March however AMD might want to actually do an official announcement to damage limit the crash at this point.

 

[MyBrainz]

Nvidia first 5000 release is January 30th, March is 4 weeks and 2 days away from that date. Dont know what people are crying about.

I'm sure they will tell everyone the reason why they have a March release but lets be honest, AMD never gave any release date, was all just rumours from Videocardz etc



Maybe they are making sure they have a lot of stock ready this time?

 

[HarryBizzle]

Re: the hub tweet. I don’t see how delaying things changes anything. What can they change other than price in response to Nvidia? There’s nothing wrong with cutting the price in response competition and makes you look like less of a disorganised mess than this debacle.

Nvidia have already released their prices. Whether they decide to cut them now or later in response to AMD doesn’t really make much difference.

 

[Martini1991]

Thinking about it more
I don't get the delay

They can roughly assume a best case and then some performance gain for the 5070 over the 4070 and the Ti models

They know the price point they start at

Either, they've got something really good, or they're just trying to slot in at the same price/performance ratio

And I suspect it's the latter

 

[Nitefly]

I think I’ve cracked it: AMD are actually in a secret alliance with shelf manufacturers.

 

[MyBrainz]

Nvidia have already released their prices. Whether they decide to cut them now or later in response to AMD doesn’t really make much difference.

Nvidia dont have to worry about how they price their cards, its just a question of " how much shall we rip people off this time around".

 

[Vtec9k]

Yep. I’m in exactly the position of wanting a good price/perf upgrade from 2080ti to give my am4 rig another year or two of service.

If the 9070xt was out now and offered decent price/perf and noise/thermals I’d probably buy it rather than wait

 

[gpuerrilla]

HUB have totally missed the point. Both companies usually release their new generations before Christmas to target the back to school season. This is the biggest sales period for dGPUs during the year. There are also some major games like the Monster Hunter Online update and the new Final Fantasy game coming out soon.
There is pent up demand.

Plenty of people are waiting to upgrade and AMD thinks people will wait for them.

There is zero guarantee if people wait until March, the cards will be priced well or whether there will be any stock. It could be pre-orders for many cards for another month or two. The HD7800XT had hardly any stock at many retailers for weeks.

I agree. These cards were out the factory and at stores and the beginning of this was many weeks ago. We were told back then it was because AMD wants to clear old inventory, however what also supports this was the stop in production of certain sku's a while back. These cards have been ready for a while from a hardware perspective, it should have been the opportunity to announce them and release as soon as nvidia declared the msrp of their line up.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree. These cards were out the factory and at stores and the beginning of this was many weeks ago. We were told back then it was because AMD wants to clear old inventory, however what also supports this was the stop in production of certain sku's a while back.

All AMD can do is delay and delay and delay. They kept on delaying the RX7800XT and RX7700XT and nobody bought them in the end. If these were priced well,ie,RX7900XT performance under £500 then they would be out now. The RTX5070 is probably similar or slightly worse performance for more money. The reasons given by HUB make no sense unless the cards were priced too high to start with.

But we should have all known something was up with the over engineered cards and the name change to 9070 series. AMD jebaited the price upwards for the RX7800XT/RX7700XT replacements. The RX6700XT was 33% faster than an RX5700XT,the RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX5700XT was over 60% faster than an RX480.

But even with the RX5700XT,the first picture AMD released had RX690 on it IIRC. AMD renamed it as the RX5700XT and priced closer to the RTX2070 at almost £400,despite Polaris being a sub £300 card.

AMD were trying the same and probably expected a £600 RTX5070. That means the RX7800XT would have been replaced by a 128 bit Navi 44 based card.

Now,expect AMD to push how they jebaited Nvidia with the RX9070 series.

 

[Game]

Re: the hub tweet. I don’t see how delaying things changes anything. What can they change other than price in response to Nvidia? There’s nothing wrong with cutting the price in response competition and makes you look like less of a disorganised mess than this debacle.

Nvidia have already released their prices. Whether they decide to cut them now or later in response to AMD doesn’t really make much difference.

Delaying the release is not the main issue let people see what it can do and they might wait , maybe we will get a full blown press release a lot earlier

 

[Grim5]

All AMD can do is delay and delay and delay. They kept on delaying the RX7800XT and RX7700XT and nobody bought them in the end. If these were priced well,ie,RX7900XT performance under £500 then they would be out now. The RTX5070 is probably similar or slightly worse performance for more money. The reasons given by HUB make no sense unless the cards were priced too high to start with.

But we should have all known something was up with the over engineered cards and the name change to 9070 series. AMD jebaited the price upwards for the RX7800XT/RX7700XT replacements. The RX6700XT was 33% faster than an RX5700XT,the RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX5700XT was over 60% faster than an RX480.

But even with the RX5700XT,the first picture AMD released had RX690 on it IIRC. AMD renamed it as the RX5700XT and priced closer to the RTX2070 at almost £400,despite Polaris being a sub £300 card.

AMD were trying the same and probably expected a £600 RTX5070. That means the RX7800XT would have been replaced by a 128 bit Navi 44 based card.

Now,expect AMD to push how they jebaited Nvidia with the RX9070 series.

 

[Owenb]

Delaying the release is not the main issue let people see what it can do and they might wait , maybe we will get a full blown press release a lot earlier

Maybe the drivers or more specifically FSR 4 isn't ready yet?

 

[Firegod]

Yet in NVIDIA land it would seem gibbo is having to do special voucher codes because stock is so tight. So reading between the lines, basically little to no NVIDIA stock. That's a great launch. Maybes some people should turn their frustrations to that? Tiny stock with high prices. Hmm. But yet again we get the same few people piling in, simply cause we have to wait 5 more weeks for AMD. And probably won't be buying an AMD card anyway. These people never change.

 

[tommybhoy]

The 3 months is in reference to the lineup release, not the 5070 specifically. Yes it’s not exactly 3 months but when history shows Nvidia launched Blackwell in Jan and AMD launched RDNA 4 in March, that will look like “wow that’s like 3 months late”.

That's drama.

The competing head to head GPUs will be announced/released? shortly after Nv's 70 is out.

Basically the annoying thing is the way AMD are playing this, looks like they were never chasing that “market share” at all.

Imo, the only chasing AMD is and always have done since Lisa arrived is chasing maximum profits, which means price them high and adjust until they start selling with big RDNA4 diverted to AI for that maximised profit=nothing at all to do with increasing market share.

Only if 70XTX is faster than the Ti and priced lower than the 5070, then and only then would I take AMD at face value for chasing down market share.