*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That's drama.

The competing head to head GPUs will be announced/released? shortly after Nv's 70 is out.


Imo, the only chasing AMD is and always have done since Lisa arrived is chasing maximum profits, which means price them high and adjust until they start selling with big RDNA4 diverted to AI for that maximised profit=nothing at all to do with increasing market share.

Only if 70XTX is faster than the Ti and priced lower than the 5070, then and only then would I take AMD at face value for chasing down market share.

They don't need to do all that. The RX7800XT was £480. An RX7900XT is only 30% faster than an RX7800XT. So offer an RX9070 for under £500 with that level of performance.

Why are they are needing to adjust pricing relative to the RTX5070 which is £540?

 

[kieran_read]

Yet in NVIDIA land it would seem gibbo is having to do special voucher codes because stock is so tight. So reading between the lines, basically little to no NVIDIA stock. That's a great launch. Maybes some people should turn their frustrations to that? Tiny stock with high prices. Hmm. But yet again we get the same few people piling in, simply cause we have to wait 5 more weeks for AMD. And probably won't be buying an AMD card anyway. These people never change.

No ones upset about having to wait 3 months specifically, they (including me) are upset we have to wait 3 months when there's evidence stores already have the stock. Some of us are ready to buy it and evidence is now showing we have to wait because AMD ****** up again.

AMD just being AMD and being a follower,.

 

[MyBrainz]

No ones upset about having to wait 3 months specifically, they (including me) are upset we have to wait 3 months when there's evidence stores already have the stock. Some of us are ready to buy it and evidence is now showing we have to wait because AMD ****** up again.

AMD just being AMD and being a follower,.

No ones upset?

Maybe AMD found a last minute issue which would look bad if they went on and released it? Didnt they do something similar with the first Ryzen 9000 releases and delayed the launch?

Maybe they know Nvidia have very limited stock like HUB said, so they can hold back and get more production ramped up?

Also those tariffs from Trump, UK isnt in the EU so we might not get it as bad as most of Europe.

I'm not worried anyway, I'll wait and see whats happens and not moan about it in a tech forum every day

 

[ben90]

I would have paid £550 for the XT at the speed the leaks suggest. Its extremely easy to pick a price which will sell.

If stock has been ready to go for this long I am strongly suspecting, as others have said, that AMD absolutely shot themselves in the foot by selling at too high a price. Lots of talk about Nvidia having 0 stock as well, so if thats true and AMD are aware, they are now using the time to either fine tune performance to justify it, or they are having some arguments with suppliers about price reductions.

I've never followed GPU lau ches very much, this is the first time, and what a warm welcome it has been

 

[Marak]

Can you people not count with all this 3 months stuff?

January to March is 2 months not 3.

And 30th Jan to 15th March (Est.) is 6 weeks = 1.5 months.

If it's released on the 1st March it's only a month.

 

[StarShock]

Can you people not count with all this 3 months stuff?

January to March is 2 months not 3.

And 30th Jan to 15th March (Est.) is 6 weeks = 1.5 months.

If it's released on the 1st March it's only a month.

And if the 5070ti is launched on the 28th of February and the 9070xt is the 1st of March it's only 1 day.

At this point I think for my own sake I'm gonna just go do something else for the next few weeks and hope for the best

 

[gpuerrilla]

Can you people not count with all this 3 months stuff?

January to March is 2 months not 3.

And 30th Jan to 15th March (Est.) is 6 weeks = 1.5 months.

If it's released on the 1st March it's only a month.

March could also be 30th but what would be really well received is some actual communication!

 

[uscool]

Can you people not count with all this 3 months stuff?

January to March is 2 months not 3.

And 30th Jan to 15th March (Est.) is 6 weeks = 1.5 months.

If it's released on the 1st March it's only a month.

Someone else mentioned Nvidia could release 5070 and 5070ti end of February and AMD could release early March

We haven't a clue when either will be releasing other then the month

 

[Joxeon]

Launching later than their main competitor when chasing marketshare is never a good idea. People on old GTX 10 series will grab a 5070 and put the word will be out how amazing of an upgrade it is and everyone will follow.

 

[Bidley]

Yet in NVIDIA land it would seem gibbo is having to do special voucher codes because stock is so tight. So reading between the lines, basically little to no NVIDIA stock. That's a great launch. Maybes some people should turn their frustrations to that? Tiny stock with high prices. Hmm. But yet again we get the same few people piling in, simply cause we have to wait 5 more weeks for AMD. And probably won't be buying an AMD card anyway. These people never change.

No no you don't understand, the amount of nonsense a manufacturer can get away with is directly corrolated to how much marketshare they have. /s

In the interim period between now and GPU releases, I need a new pair of running shoes as I'm marathon training. I'd better go and look up which of Asics, Adidas or Nike have the most marketshare so I know which ones to buy.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Launching later than their main competitor when chasing marketshare is never a good idea. People on old GTX 10 series will grab a 5070 and put the word will be out how amazing of an upgrade it is and everyone will follow.

They will also hear that its faster than the 4090!

 

[tommybhoy]

They don't need to do all that. The RX7800XT was £480. An RX7900XT is only 30% faster than an RX7800XT. So offer an RX9070 for under £500 with that level of performance.

Why are they are needing to adjust pricing relative to the RTX5070 which is £540?

Lol, speculation is exactly that, speculation=joy/bed wetting.

The underdog releases after the top dogs data is out there.

What I said is in regards to the seriousness of AMD's claim of improving market share=release a tier faster gpu (XTX) and undercutting the 5070.

But imo, that won't happen.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Lol, speculation is exactly that, speculation=joy/bed wetting.

The underdog releases after the top dogs data is out there.

What I said is in regards to the seriousness of AMD's claim of improving market share=release a tier faster gpu (XTX) and undercutting the 5070.

But imo, that won't happen.

The issue is AMD makes all these claims about how they looked at the 7800XT/7900GRE and were going after the average gamer(that is implied in the interviews).

But suddenly get a shock,when Nvidia reduces the RTX5060TI,sorry,RTX5070 by £50. Nvidia is barely trying to do anything - even their slides tells us we will be lucky to get 20% improvement in rasterised over an RTX4070!

They have literally pulled their CES presentation,pulled the launch(reviewers received the cards) and stock is at retailers. That doesn't sound very inspiring.

 

[Alan1969]

I am very eager to see the details of the RX 9070 and XT. My son and daughter and myself all game at 1440, they have 6800XT and I have a 5700XT. these gpu's are adequate for most of the games we play (5700xt perhaps struggles a little with the most demanding modern titles due to 8 gb).

However my son is young and games fast on Space Marine 2 - I think that a RX 9070 with FSR4 will help him out. (Then I can have his 6800XT, an improvement over my 5700XT for warhammer 3/cyberpunk).

Looking at a leak on pcguide (which quotes overclockers) - the 9070 has the same amount of cores as the XT (at 4096) - clock speed is 10% slower but if >10% less price I am hoping that the RX 9070 is a worthy and inexpensive upgrade.

 

[Alan1969]

The issue is AMD makes all these claims about how they looked at the 7800XT/7900GRE and were going after the average gamer(that is implied in the interviews).

But suddenly get a shock,when Nvidia reduces the RTX5060TI,sorry,RTX5070 by £50. Nvidia is barely trying to do anything - even their slides tells us we will be lucky to get 20% improvement in rasterised over an RTX4070!

They have literally pulled their CES presentation,pulled the launch(reviewers received the cards) and stock is at retailers. That doesn't sound very inspiring.

if the RX 9070 is a similar price or cheaper than the RTX5070 then I am interested (hopefully similar performance for a similar price). I find that the AMD drivers for gaming over the past years has been good.

 

[Alan1969]

what I feel for the RX 9070 & XT is that they will be "good enough" (for 1440 or even 4k gaming), for a reasonable price. Am hoping that FSR4 is beneficial.

 

[Phixsator]

Hardware wise I think AMD has a winner on their hands and if priced right could make the 5070 and perhaps even the 5070ti look like silly choices, nothing new there. With this is mind though, it is still an uphill battle due to the mind-share NVIDIA has and we've seen in the past how NVIDIA sometimes have asked for odd types of tests from reviewers. So if you want to come out and look like the better choice the battle has to be on your(AMD's) terms and not NVIDIA cause NVIDIA will do anything to change the rules to suit their need(perks of being the biggest dude in the room?). Just look at their own benchmarks, pure BS most of it.

AMD gets wind of what NVIDIA has to offer and stalls and NVIDIA ends up launching first, goes up against previous gen, wins on performance, improves slightly on perf/dollar, no need for a special cook book from NVIDIA to take a win here. AMD launches afterwards and gets reviews not influenced by NVIDIA and its against NVIDIA's newest generation and based on the leaks could get some even battles and therefor some wins IF priced correctly and overall look like better choice when it comes to value for money, heck even RT isn't that fare behind, again if rumours are to be believed.

Never thought NVIDIA would give this round away for free, and Jensen might still have some cards up his sleeves, but 5000 series looks rather disappointing IMHO, mainly due to the MSRP. Not that much raster improvements and heavy emphasis on fake AI frames and personally I'm a bit tired of AI this and that. I don't think I'm the only one. Heck even @mrk is skipping the 5090 <-Nuff said!

 

[TheRealDeal]

Launching later than their main competitor when chasing marketshare is never a good idea. People on old GTX 10 series will grab a 5070 and put the word will be out how amazing of an upgrade it is and everyone will follow.

While I mainly agree it depends on how the Nvidia cards review. If the reviews are poor and AMD come in soon after with good reviews and pricing it could be a win. If AMD jump now and Nvidia change there strategy on pricing it could hurt AMD. Either way Nvidia hold a lot more cards than AMD.

At least if Nvidia come in first you can see the whole picture. AMD have managed to fumble plenty even when Nvidia has went first so would be nice if they get it right this time. It's clear they are thinking a lot behind the scenes but AMD thinking to much is dangerous.

 

[VIPER258]

One of the main problems I have is that Frank Azor has said that the cards will be faster that the benchmarks online, I don't believe that but we will see. They really should have releases before Nvidia.

 

[Phixsator]

One of the main problems I have is that Frank Azor has said that the cards will be faster that the benchmarks online, I don't believe that but we will see. They really should have releases before Nvidia.

No they shouldn't. They should release a week later. That way reviewers are free of the NVIDIA NDA and any other NVIDIA agreements. Therefor NVIDIA cannot enforce some silly testing regiment. The tests will be more apples to apples and any negatives from the NVIDIA reviews would have taken root in people's minds over the week giving the possibility for AMD's products to look better.

EDIT: What I do think AMD should do is to announce the launch date on the day of the 5000 series review date.