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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

tommybhoy said:
You are trying to put words in my mouth-twice now-even after quoting you specifically on what I said to @Gerard .:thumbsdown

Every single trolling/baiting that goes on in this thread by others is irrelevant to me, if I wanted to be dragged into all the hyperbole you and others thrive on, I'd be partaking mate, no?

I purchase my gpus on review data. then and only the then will I'll decide to keep the 79XTX/4070 and buy nothing for the first time ever since before 6800GT.

As DLSS4's made a drastic improvement over NV's recently official debunking of the DLSS2 better thanNative narrative, Nv's now peaked my interest with the DF vid showcasing DLSS4, after revealing 6 years of DLSS2's IQ deficiences, there's now a 4070 to 5070ti/80 itch started for the 4K/QHDUW, because DLSS4 IQ is looking very, very good and QHDUW@240Hz with MFG!:thumbsup
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I asked questions. Nothing more.

Yes. DLSS is getting even better indeed. If I can pick up a 5070Ti at msrp I will get it, because who knows what prices are going to be like now that Trump is in charge.

But those improvements are coming to the 4000 series anyway, so even if I stay with my 4070Ti I will get them anyways.
 
There is possibly thousands of BIOS updates to be done in warehouses all over the globe which wont be completed until March if theres some issue or performance update needed via BIOS for cards already sent out..

*ouch*!

Either way, I will wait :p
 
tommybhoy said:
5070 release date is February 2025

Literally played a blinder-Shoulda gone to specsavers mate.... "they go on sale in March!"

Then and only then should AMD be judged on performance/price!


@Gerard fair play with your patience mate, the panty wetting because of the clickbait stories in here is cringe!
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The 3 months is in reference to the lineup release, not the 5070 specifically. Yes it’s not exactly 3 months but when history shows Nvidia launched Blackwell in Jan and AMD launched RDNA 4 in March, that will look like “wow that’s like 3 months late”.

Basically the annoying thing is the way AMD are playing this, looks like they were never chasing that “market share” at all.
 
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ICDP said:
The 3 months is in reference to the lineup release, not the 5070 specifically. Yes it’s not exactly 3 months but when history shows Nvidia launched Blackwell in Jan and AMD launched RDNA 4 in March, that will look like “wow that’s like 3 months late”.

Basically the annoying thing is the way AMD are playing this looks like they were never chasing that “market share” at all.
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By March all the undecided voters will have moved to Nvidia leaving the small minority of patient enthusiasts to buy the 9070 series which will undoubtedly drop A-M-D (aka Always Many Delays) market share further.

At this rate I wonder how long my 7800xt would be supported with drivers if they bankrupt Radeon division soon lol.
 
While I still think launching first would have been a good idea for AMD, if the timings line up and the 9070s are better price to performance than the 5070s it could still work out. If the reviewer all know the price to performance when they review the 5070s all the reviews will be fairly meh and advise people to hold off till they see amd reviews, then all the amd reviews could be positive. But we'll see.

What is clear is there is a big information gap between what happening behind the scenes and what we're seeing, which kind of makes any sort of speculation pointless. I mean even if we guess correctly what's going on, we'll never actually know we were correct.
 
Whats up with the doom and gloom fellas. Did the cat take a dump on your cereal this morning? It's AMD we know how they roll by now, no reason to fear monger.
 
A few weeks back it looked like AMD was going to release cheaper MBA style models with cut down TDP and cheaper yet adequate cooling solutions. At the same time AIBs could also create 3x 8pin super TDP models with massive coolers that could hit 10% + extra performance… for a premium.

The idea that they are reacting to NVIDIA’s 5070 “surprise” price is utter nonsense. The 5070 is actually a 5060 with a $150 price increase. It is looking like a terrible product at a terrible price. If AMD cannot beat the overpriced 5070 on price/perf, then they were never really aiming for market share.
 
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ICDP said:
A few weeks back it looked like AMD was going to release cheaper MBA style models with cut down TDP and cheaper yet adequate cooling solutions. At the same time AIBs could also create 3x 8pin super TDP models with massive coolers that could hit 10% + extra performance… for a premium.

The idea that they are reacting to NVIDIA’s 5070 amazing price is utter nonsense. The 5070 is actually a 5060 with a $150 price increase. It is looking like a terrible product at a terrible price. If AMD cannot beat the overpriced 5070 on price/perf, then they were never really aiming for market share.
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They might just discount the 9070 series by the Autumn/Black Friday back to the original leaked msrps lol. Then would be a good time to pick up a card.
 
Gerard said:

HUB with an odd take...
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Cheque's in the post? Or are "tech-tubers" so aloof they've lost touch with reality? So many people have been planning for these cards to be released in January.

I think this disconnect has become a real problem for the entire industry. Was really exposed with the recent Battlemage reviews. These reviewers just aren't engaging with reality. Their review rigs always have insanely overkill components that almost nobody would pair with the GPU they are reviewing. Or they push people towards buying the brand new CPU based on a bar graph in a blender or cinebench benchmark, when in reality, what difference would you really see if you upgraded your CPU? The manufacturers now have to literally engineer their CPU's to get the biggest bar in order to "win" the silly game. How many people buy a 9800X3D to play games at 1080p? They've lost touch. This tweet is just par for the course.

INB4 "but that's the only way to review a GPU/CPU" - I understand the logic behind isolating the component you are reviewing, and that's fine. But people aren't buying these things to run benchmarks and input the numbers into excel. The point is that too many reviewers are out of touch with the everyday experience of PC users. I suppose it takes a special kind of person to sit down and repeatedly run the same test over and over again. The kind of person that might be better at reading numbers on a screen than real people's thoughts and emotions. But they keep getting clicks and sponsors, so good for them...

This tweet just shows a lack of empathy with people. Or betrays some kind of bias. Or perhaps even both. I'm not sure which is worse.

This industry...
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
They might just discount the 9070 series by the Autumn/Black Friday back to the original leaked msrps lol. Then would be a good time to pick up a card.
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Yes but the problem is what was the MSRP they were originally aiming for? What we know for a fact as AMD literally told us.

- They are not competing at the high end this generation

- They are aiming for increased market share.

I mean it makes sense now in hindsight but I had obviously (mistakenly) assumed AMD were aiming for 7700 XT and 7800 XT replacements at $450 - $550. Instead they were aiming for whatever Nvidia released the 70 series with the usual ~10% price/perf improvement.

I get that the old 4070 - 4070Ti prices were $599 to $799. So is this were AMD were aiming for in prices of the 9070 range (the clue is in the name)?

So Nvidia essentially undercut their own 70 series prices to right were AMD were aiming and left AMD flummoxed.

Have we now reached a point where both AMD and Nvidia are giving us 15% performance uplift each generation of new GPUs?
 
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I do think that 7000 series suffered for having poor launch reviews, for most of the last 2 years in almost every price bracket the 7000 series has offered the best value, but people ignored it cos all the reviews were fairly negative about the old prices.
I suspect that amd doesn't actually care all that much how many cards it sells in week one, but would quite like it if by year 2 people are still buying these.
I guess that's what hub is alluding to
 
ICDP said:
So Nvidia essentially undercut their own 70 series prices to right were AMD were aiming and left AMD flummoxed.
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You would hope that AMD had taken this scenario into consideration. Instead of panic delaying a new product in order to sell off their current gen stock that is priced the same as what the new cards will have to be priced at.
 
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Sumanji said:
FTFY ;)
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Haha, yes I agree and am on record as saying Nvidia basically have moved their stack again. So what should have been the 60 series with a 30% - 40% performance increase, becomes the 70 series with a 15% performance increase and a $150 price rise.
 
uroboros said:
You would hope that AMD had taken this scenario into consideration. Instead of panic delaying a new product in order to sell off their current gen stock that is priced the same as what the new cards will have to be priced at.
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The irony of hindsight. Rumours were that AMD were ready months ago with RDNA 4 but held off to clear older 7000 series stock. If AMD had launched the 9070 months ago before thanksgiving and Christmas, they could have priced them at $600 - $800 and killed Nvidia’s 4070 - 4070Ti super on price/performance. Even the 4080s at $1000 would have looked wildly overpriced.

Now that would have won market share and mindshare and made AMD very nice margins. Even if FSR4 was not ready.
 
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Gerard said:

HUB with an odd take...
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It is an odd take.

People have been waiting to see what nvidia and amd were releasing since nov/dec last year. Tons of comments on Reddit or forums telling people to wait till CES before upgrading or building.

People can buy a 5070/5070ti in feb with known specs, rough performance expectations and nvidia brand perception (plus better AI, RT, etc)

Or wait till March for an unknown performance, unknown price 9070
 
Vtec9k said:
It is an odd take.

People have been waiting to see what nvidia and amd were releasing since nov/dec last year. Tons of comments on Reddit or forums telling people to wait till CES before upgrading or building.

People can buy a 5070/5070ti in feb with known specs, rough performance expectations and nvidia brand perception (plus better AI, RT, etc)

Or wait till March for an unknown performance, unknown price 9070
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Exactly the point.

Nvidia: You get this performance starting at this price on this date.

AMD: Err ummm aaah, March… maybe

Nvidia aren’t looking great for the 5000 price/performance to be fair, but at least you have actual information to make an informed decision. For me it happens to be a hard NOPE.

AMD look indecisive and pathetic in comparison. They may still come good but most people have sort of just thought “AM who?”.
 
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