*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[pewpew]

It's like 1% difference between pcie 4 and 5 that's with 5090

GeForce RTX 5090 loses just 1% on PCIe 4.0 x16 specs, but PCIe risers could spell trouble - VideoCardz.com

PCIe 4.0 specs not a problem for RTX 50 cards, unless you are using risers TechPowerUP and Hardware Canucks focus on Blackwell's PCIe 5.0 upgrade.

videocardz.com

Interesting makes me worry a little less about nvme usage on mobo potentially sharing lanes.

 

[Legion]

AMD's FSR 4 Support To Feature In All Titles Compatible With FSR 3.1; RDNA 4 Limitation Still Applies

AMD's FSR 4 to witness support from titles at launch, as it is now reported that games supporting FSR 3.1 would switch to the newer version.

wccftech.com

AMD FSR4 support may be added to all FSR3.1 games - VideoCardz.com

AMD FSR4 as an easy FSR3.1 update? In response to our post on X/Twitter on FSR3.1 update for the Last of Us Part 1, Kepler_L2, known for accurate AMD

videocardz.com

It just works.

 

[Sumanji]

Oh Lawdy, I thought the Videcardz comment section was bad, but Wccftech is somehow even worse

 

[Bidley]

AMD's FSR 4 Support To Feature In All Titles Compatible With FSR 3.1; RDNA 4 Limitation Still Applies

AMD's FSR 4 to witness support from titles at launch, as it is now reported that games supporting FSR 3.1 would switch to the newer version.

wccftech.com

AMD FSR4 support may be added to all FSR3.1 games - VideoCardz.com

AMD FSR4 as an easy FSR3.1 update? In response to our post on X/Twitter on FSR3.1 update for the Last of Us Part 1, Kepler_L2, known for accurate AMD

videocardz.com

It just works.

I thought this was all but confirmed in AMD's own slide at CES?

 

[uscool]

I thought this was all but confirmed in AMD's own slide at CES?

Yeah but alpha stage , but looks like it'll be released with the cards , we had to wait 6 months after 7000 released for fsr3 ?

 

[Bidley]

Yeah but alpha stage , but looks like it'll be released with the cards , we had to wait 6 months after 7000 released for fsr3 ?

I meant it working with FSR 3.1 games. One of their slides mentioned FSR 3.1 upgrade feature.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Disappointing that AMD aren't supporting the 7000 series cards with this. I recall Nvidia doing this with DLSS and it was unpopular then too I believe.

Is this a driver thing or will dev have to implement this? Given the small number of 9000 owners there's going to be (relative to non-9000 owners) it would be effort spent for little benefit.
Could understand the uptake being low if it takes additional effort since they'll need to implement FSR3.1 for another that can't use DLSS or FSR4, unless they use the Intel solution to cover everything else.
Do many games support multiple DLSS versions? Wondering how likely it is for a game to support multiple FSR versions.

 

[Phixsator]

Disappointing that AMD aren't supporting the 7000 series cards with this. I recall Nvidia doing this with DLSS and it was unpopular then too I believe.

Is this a driver thing or will dev have to implement this? Given the small number of 9000 owners there's going to be (relative to non-9000 owners) it would be effort spent for little benefit.
Could understand the uptake being low if it takes additional effort since they'll need to implement FSR3.1 for another that can't use DLSS or FSR4, unless they use the Intel solution to cover everything else.
Do many games support multiple DLSS versions? Wondering how likely it is for a game to support multiple FSR versions.

While support isn't there from the beginning they haven't ruled out it coming in one shape or form down the line. Just watch the Frank Azor CES interview.

 

[Bidley]

Disappointing that AMD aren't supporting the 7000 series cards with this. I recall Nvidia doing this with DLSS and it was unpopular then too I believe.

Is this a driver thing or will dev have to implement this? Given the small number of 9000 owners there's going to be (relative to non-9000 owners) it would be effort spent for little benefit.
Could understand the uptake being low if it takes additional effort since they'll need to implement FSR3.1 for another that can't use DLSS or FSR4, unless they use the Intel solution to cover everything else.
Do many games support multiple DLSS versions? Wondering how likely it is for a game to support multiple FSR versions.

This has been discussed previously.

They've only committed to FSR4 for 9000 series initially because it will be hardware-based. 7000 series does have AI cores but they're relatively weak and in fewer number. They've said that they're open to rolling it out to 7000 series if it's possible.

FSR 3.1 can be updated with a dll file, so all a dev needs to do is implement FSR 3.1. And by the looks of it, FSR4 will be compatible with 3.1. Some games do support multiple FSR versions, Cyberpunk being one that comes to mind (however CDPR heavily gimped it, being Nvidia-sponsored).

 

[Octoplex7]

I think AMD smell blood in the water here. The dust is starting to settle and the 50 series performance uplift is looking pathetic (5090 aside, which of course they aren't competing with) and I reckon we can expect the 9070XT to be at the higher end of price expectations.

 

[humbug]

I think AMD smell blood in the water here. The dust is starting to settle and the 50 series performance uplift is looking pathetic (5090 aside, which of course they aren't competing with) and I reckon we can expect the 9070XT to be at the higher end of price expectations.

Remember when Intel had a similar market domination in the CPU space? same thing, small incremental performance upgrades with incremental hikes in price.

 

[Octoplex7]

Remember when Intel had a similar market domination in the CPU space? same thing, small incremental performance upgrades with incremental hikes in price.

Unfortunately I do remember those days!

 

[Freddie1980]

Disappointing that AMD aren't supporting the 7000 series cards with this. I recall Nvidia doing this with DLSS and it was unpopular then too I believe.

Is this a driver thing or will dev have to implement this? Given the small number of 9000 owners there's going to be (relative to non-9000 owners) it would be effort spent for little benefit.
Could understand the uptake being low if it takes additional effort since they'll need to implement FSR3.1 for another that can't use DLSS or FSR4, unless they use the Intel solution to cover everything else.
Do many games support multiple DLSS versions? Wondering how likely it is for a game to support multiple FSR versions.

I think if AMD could get FSR 4 working on older generations they would have supported them as Radeon as a brand can ill afford to be alienating it's remaining customer base.

 

[sx_turbo]

I think if AMD could get FSR 4 working on older generations they would have supported them as Radeon as a brand can ill afford to be alienating it's remaining customer base.

I think there isn't many people that care about fake frames, and if they did they likely weren't using AMD cards, AMD have very little customer base.

People moaned about Nvidia doing it, but didn't stop people buying the cards, are customers really going to take a holier than thou approach to gpus or are they just going to get whatever one is best bang for the buck?

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

Still on PCI-E 3.0 here (AMD X470)

Same here with a B450 board. It'll be fine.

 

[aminegriffy]

Any idea why AMD stopped making the 7900Gre but kept the 7800XT? The 7900Gre is so hard to find these days and when you find it it's always MSRP. In fact it was the only card which didn't go on a discount during BF.

 

[Copesman]

Any idea why AMD stopped making the 7900Gre but kept the 7800XT? The 7900Gre is so hard to find these days and when you find it it's always MSRP. In fact it was the only card which didn't go on a discount during BF.

It's simple the 7900gre only exists because of poor yield on some chips where they have faulty CU units as the node yield got better there were less 7900 gre dies since more dies could be made into 7900 xt and xtx so amd only want to sell the more expensive cards. The 7800xt was a different chip design and the 7700 was the cut down version of that chip.

The 7800xt is a monolithic design while the 7900 were chiplets similar to what AMD do with CPU processors so the 7800xt is much cheaper to make hence they can make more profit so are still making them.

 

[GhostDog1981]

It's simple the 7900gre only exists because of poor yield on some chips where they have faulty CU units as the node yield got better there were less 7900 gre dies since more dies could be made into 7900 xt and xtx so amd only want to sell the more expensive cards. The 7800xt was a different chip design and the 7700 was the cut down version of that chip.

The 7800xt is a monolithic design while the 7900 were chiplets similar to what AMD do with CPU processors so the 7800xt is much cheaper to make hence they can make more profit so are still making them.

7800xt is still multidie similar to its big brothers.

Maybe the process node is better yields for the smaller chip.

 

[ICDP]

The GRE was always a limited run GPU and AMD have stopped making RDNA3. The most likely reason is just down to whatever stock remains in the channel.

The 7800 XT was made in larger numbers, so there’s more of them left.

 

[Phixsator]

It's gonna be a long dull month we are heading into. Typical as February is the month I have the least work to occupy my time.