I would say the same, or at least call it lower high end, with x60 class being mid range and anything under being budget
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Depends on how that is measured, on the GPU hierarchy the 4070 is in the lower levels but i think anything that costs £500 to £600 is in the high end. Ok Its right, the 4070 is in the lower hierarchy but i don't like the idea of normalising £500+ being the cost of a lower tier GPU.
Imagine that for CPU's.
Imagine that for CPU's.
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Because Nvidia knows the weaknesses of the AMD RT implementations,so pushes effects with run worse on them and makes their own cards look better.
Hey @melmac, my dude! Looks like you forgot to engage on this discussion, buddy!
I await your response with baited breath
I sure hope he is! I was looking forward to a substantive, fact-based discussion that is free from name-calling and amateur dramatics
Cat, I wish you could be less dramatic and more precise with your language.
See here - it doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
Prices are high, because people are willing to pay. It is sadly as simple as that.
We do have a habit of normalising it because Nvidia have "added value features" the tech press have been doing this for many years at this point and with it we are where we are.
Again, imagine a Ryzen 9600X costing £539.99.
Again, imagine a Ryzen 9600X costing £539.99.
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Maybe we need a new nomenclature?
<200 = cheap
200 - 400 = reasonable priced
400 - 600 = slightly expensive
600 - 800 = expensive
800 - 1000 = very expensive
>1000 = ridiculously expensive
"I'm in the market for a slightly expensive graphics card" seems to work
<200 = cheap
200 - 400 = reasonable priced
400 - 600 = slightly expensive
600 - 800 = expensive
800 - 1000 = very expensive
>1000 = ridiculously expensive
"I'm in the market for a slightly expensive graphics card" seems to work
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Hehe. It works better than referring to the traditional tiers (60, 70 80 etc) which are being abused by the manufacturers!
It is economies of scale.
Many more CPU's are sold than GPU's.
Supply and demand is also a thing, unfortunately during COVID people lost their minds at what they were willing to pay to get their MIT's on the latest tech, this then unfortunately normalises the price willing to be paid, (this is seen across various materials, building materials being the other biggest price rise)
In turn the fabs put their prices up, the OEM puts their prices up and they never or at least very rarely go back down.
Once panic is created by lack of availability in the market people that want must have and this the GPU prices are what they are. When people stop buying them, the prices will fall, or manufacturers will just back out, until then....
this is the way....
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Random little thing I noticed: AMD direct store over here has totally removed their graphics card page. It used to show all the 7000 series cards (which have been OOS for weeks), but now just redirects to a "where to buy page" that lists a bunch of other eTailers. The CPU page is still up though, so maybe GPUs will be back soon...
That will probably be the only place you can get an MBA card so I'd imagine it'll be back. Unless some companies are also using it before their custom designs come out.
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*potato
They could be Irish, in which case it would be understandable. The history of the Irish and potatoes...
Despite the general touting about 'how good' the 1000 series was, that was the first step and I remember being the only one complaining it was getting worse for UK pricing. Back then folks justified the increased price due to nonsense like GBP vs USD and Brexit or even UK retailer markups. Several years on from giving them an inch and they've taken miles.
And thusly I've refused to buy a new GPU all those years. If AMD can pull off another RX480 moment, then I might finally bother buying one, from them even.
Else I'll feel like a fool for missing out on a sub-£600 7900XT deal... perhaps
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