*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[TheRealDeal]

AMD are naming them for the RTX5070 and RTX5070TI.

Yea so not top end and that's why those prices would make no sense. The prices mentioned are just to high to be believable. AMD might be daft but even they would know at those prices the cards would be dead before they hit the market. Either that or the cards are just way faster than Nvidia.

 

[t2na]

Given how the prices the 7900 XT, I wouldn’t put it past them.

Such a shame too because, priced correctly like it eventually was, it's such a good card.

It matches/beats the 4070Ti (and Super) in any non-RT game and it basically came down to which one was on offer for the better price. You go with the 4070Ti if you want access to the Nvidia features (which are more compelling every day) or you go with the 7900XT if you wanted more raw performance at a better price, usually around 100-150 cheaper than the 70Ti Super.

I know there were loads of us here on these forums that jumped at the offer when the 7900XT Sapphire Pulse was dropped to 699 (or 679, one of the two) as it finally felt that it was at a price where it was worth it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yea so not top end and that's why those prices would make no sense. The prices mentioned are just to high to be believable. AMD might be daft but even they would know at those prices the cards would be dead before they hit the market. Either that or the cards are just way faster than Nvidia.

Look at the price of the RTX5070 and RTX5070TI then? The latter starts at $749 or £720 with VAT. The former at £540.

The RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT 33% faster than an RX5700XT.

Even if an RX9070 was an RX7900XT,it would only be 30% faster than an RX7800XT. It has to be priced under £500.

However,if that was the case AMD would have launched now,because the RTX5070 starts at £540.

But just look at the size of the cards,etc. Do those look like sub £500 cards to you? The only way AMD is pricing these well, is because of the backlash they are seeing at any higher pricing rumours, and Nvidia announcing their FE pricing.

Just look at Zen5 pricing? It isn't great either.

 

[Bidley]

Well realistically they can’t charge $750, so expect $650ish. Or if AMD are incredibly obtuse, then $700.

The 9070 could be $550 if it beats the 5070 and has more VRAM.

Yeah it depends on a lot of variables. If the 9070 is 4090 performance (stay with me) then it won't start at $500 I agree though, if it beats the 5070 on all fronts (and we already know it's beaten it on VRAM) then $550 is fine.

So much depends on so much that we don't know yet though, we're just pontificating on prices based on a naming scheme and the fact it's AMD.

Something to do though eh.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Look at the price of the RTX5070 and RTX5070TI then? The latter starts at $749 or £720 with VAT. The former at £540.

The RX7800XT was 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT 33% faster than an RX5700XT.

Even if an RX9070 was an RX7900XT,it would only be 30% faster than an RX7800XT. It has to be priced under £500.

However,if that was the case AMD would have launched now,because the RTX5070 starts at £540.

But just look at the size of the cards,etc. Do those look like sub £500 cards to you? The only way AMD is pricing these well, is because of the backlash they are seeing at any higher pricing rumours, and Nvidia announcing their FE pricing.

Just look at Zen5 pricing? It isn't great either.

Rumours are saying these cards can use up to 330w. So you are forced to use beefed up coolers. Amd would be commiting suicide bringing a 70 card at these prices. At the very least AMD will be cheaper than Nvida. Those prices never had a chance of that. Just made up crap for hits.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Rumours are saying these cards can use up to 330w. So you are forced to use beefed up coolers. Amd would be commiting suicide bringing a 70 card at these prices. At the very least AMD will be cheaper than Nvida. Those prices never had a chance of that. Just made up crap for hits.

There are other mentions of pricing being too high:

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT "bumpy" launch reportedly linked to price pressure from NVIDIA - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 9070 launch with retailer background PC Games Hardware reports that their moderator “pokerclock,” a well-informed person within retailer circles, has shared a new update on an upcoming Radeon GPU launch. Previously, this source provided insights on the GeForce RTX 50 series launch...

videocardz.com

If the pricing was lower AMD would have launched now and made Nvidia look stupid. But they have not and these cards look huge and not cheap to make. They look more like RX7900/RX6800 series cards in terms of PCB size,cooler size,amount of power connectors,etc.The last time they played these games was with Vega 56 and their limited launch pricing.

AMD might be sandbagging about their real performance,but after the RX7900XT fiasco and Zen5 I will only believe it when it happens.

 

[Ross Thomson]

I just wish they would hurry up and release them so we can laugh at them screwing up again.

 

[TheRealDeal]

There are other mentions of pricing being too high:

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT "bumpy" launch reportedly linked to price pressure from NVIDIA - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 9070 launch with retailer background PC Games Hardware reports that their moderator “pokerclock,” a well-informed person within retailer circles, has shared a new update on an upcoming Radeon GPU launch. Previously, this source provided insights on the GeForce RTX 50 series launch...

videocardz.com

If the pricing was lower AMD would have launched now and made Nvidia look stupid. But they are not and these cards look huge and not cheap to make. They look more like RX7900/RX6800 series cards in terms of PCB size,cooler size,amount of power connectors,etc.The last time they played these games was with Vega 56 and their limited launch pricing.

AMD might be sandbagging about their real performance,but after the RX7900XT fiasco and Zen5, I will only believe when it happens.

My 7900xt uses around the same power stock. The cooler is huge and I got it cheaper than these suggested prices. I just think those prices look very wrong for any AMD card with 70 in the name. They look more like Nvidia prices. If the launch was delayed for pricing I would be very surprised as surely it doesn't take months to drop your pricing. If anything surely AMD would be surprised at how rubbish the Nvidia 5 series performs without DLSS frame gen. Maybe AMD are revising there pricing up hahaha.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

My 7900xt uses around the same power stock. The cooler is huge and I got it cheaper than these suggested prices. I just think those prices look very wrong for any AMD card with 70 in the name. They look more like Nvidia prices. If the launch was delayed for pricing I would be very surprised as surely it doesn't take months to drop your pricing. If anything surely AMD would be surprised at how rubbish the Nvidia 5 series performs without DLSS frame gen. Maybe AMD are revising there pricing up hahaha.

That is the problem - they did it last generation and priced relative to Nvidia. The RX7900XTX and RX7900XT were clearly the RX7800XT and RX7800. But since Nvidia was going to launch an RTX4080 12GB at a high price,AMD priced and named relative to Nvidia. Nvidia then renamed it to RTX4070TI 12GB and dropped the price $50 below AMD.

It could take months to drop pricing,because AMD would need to put aside funds to do so. The Vega 56 and 64 launch was delayed too.

But all of this negativity is because AMD unlaunched the cards and bungled the CES reveal.

 

[Bidley]

I just wish they would hurry up and release them so we can laugh at them screwing up again.

You don't need to wait, you can do it right now apparently

 

[TheRealDeal]

That is the problem - they did it last generation and priced relative to Nvidia. The RX7900XTX and RX7900XT were clearly the RX7800XT and RX7800. But since Nvidia was going to launch an RTX4080 12GB at a high price,AMD priced and named relative to Nvidia. Nvidia then renamed it to RTX4070TI 12GB and dropped the price $50 below AMD.

It could take months to drop pricing,because AMD would need to put aside funds to do so. The Vega 56 and 64 launch was delayed too.

But all of this negativity is because AMD unlaunched the cards and bungled the CES reveal.

While I can agree that AMD can make some seriously mind boggling mistakes. There whole talk has been about providing affordable cards which will sell. Those prices won't get them anywhere and they must know that after what they done with the 7900xt. I could be wrong but I just can't see them naming the cards as they have and pricing that high. I guess time will tell and as I have a 7900xt this gen holds no interest for me.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

While I can agree that AMD can make some seriously mind boggling mistakes. There whole talk has been about providing affordable cards which will sell. Those prices won't get them anywhere and they must know that after what they done with the 7900xt. I could be wrong but I just can't see them naming the cards as they have and pricing that high. I guess time will tell and as I have a 7900xt this gen holds no interest for me.

Maybe they are waiting for the scarcity of Nvidia cards to push their secondary pricing up and then come in "lower" to gain some extra sales? We saw that with the RX6600XT and RX6700XT RRP during the Pandemic.

Either way,I have a rough idea what I expect from a new card. If both of them want to overcharge this generation they can go and exploit the whales instead.

 

[FredFlint]

May be the delay is just to sell off older cards as they will have to drop prices a lot to sell them if the new card is good and well priced.

 

[Gerard]

May be the delay is just to sell off older cards as they will have to drop prices a lot to sell them if the new card is good and well priced.

The amd stores no longer have stock of their current gen cards, and amd couldn't care less if partners do or not. At this point anyone looking a new card knows they're coming this week for nvidia and sometime in Feb for their 70 cards, and the amd cards in March. So this alleged 'delay' to sell off old stock rumour makes zero sense as people know the new stuff is here soon.

 

[Phixsator]

AMD famously mentioned they jebaited Nvidia Turing with the price of the RX5600XT/RX5700XT:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1146827961162711045

They apparently forced Nvidia to lower their price,only for AMD to drop their pricing even lower.

One could certainly hope for a similar scenario to happen again, even if it was not intentional. I doubt any sane person would argue against getting some graphics cards a bit cheaper

 

[Besty]

That latest 8060S slide leak being as quick as a 4070 (laptop) has put the cat amongst the pigeons and thats RDNA 3.5 inside a CPU.

This 9070 is gonna be quick for sure.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

May be the delay is just to sell off older cards as they will have to drop prices a lot to sell them if the new card is good and well priced.

Might be that too.

That latest 8060S slide leak being as quick as a 4070 (laptop) has put the cat amongst the pigeons and thats RDNA 3.5 inside a CPU.

This 9070 is gonna be quick for sure.

Strix Halo looks fantastic so far.

One could certainly hope for a similar scenario to happen again, even if it was not intentional. I doubt any sane person would argue against getting some graphics cards a bit cheaper

Agreed.

 

[KNiVES]

Remember this? https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-amd-rdna-4-rumour-mill.18984360/page-172#post-37595274

Wasn't far off. AMD never had a clue at any point in this sorry tale.

 

[Octoplex7]

The plot can't get much thicker at this point.

 

[Thekwango]

The plot can't get much thicker at this point.

bit like some of the posters in here then

edit: this was a joke in case it wasn't obvious