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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

hobib_ali said:
i bet you that in production cost, a 5090 costs $75 at most, R&D wont be much as Nvidia already have the infrastructure, their profit margins on GPU's are very high, even for a $2000 5090
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IIRC HUB did a recent video where they estimated a 5090 die costing $135, obviously there's a high chance of errors in such an estimate as things like TSMC wafer costs, defects vs good dies, whether Nvidia are getting discounts, etc, etc. All have to be accounted for so it's more a ballpark figure, however that's a lot more than $75.

That's just for the die. You then have to factor in the RAM, the PCB, SMD's, the cooler, packaging, etc, etc. If i had to guess the profit margin on a 5090 is probably in the 50-60% range and as you go down the stack that profit margin declines, it's probably why there's such a push to get people to buy only the highest end card.
 
Not just for Blackwell. $10bn is what they've spent on R&D in total the last couple of years, that's total R&D spend so covers everything plus R&D spending is cumulative over the lifetime of a company, even after a company is long dead in the form of IP being sold off to other companies.
 
CornyOC said:
I bet most of that was spent on AI cards, not gaming ones.
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also if jensen said a 5070 is a 4090 performance then their 10 billion cost on R&D is ultra BS

It wouldn't even hit double digits in millions for the blackwell cards, thats why I think a 5090 would cost Nvidia between $100 to $200 max, the rest is pure virgin profit margin, why else would Nvidia be the most valuable company in the world
 
~>Dg<~ said:
any news on the 5060 5060ti yet ?
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No news, not even leaks or specs or anything. If the 4060/ti is anything to go by and if the 5080 sets expectations for the other 5000 series cards... it would be a miracle if a 5060/ti was anything more than just garbage. The only way those cards could be good is if Nvidia price them nice and low, like £200. Which will happen when hell freezes over.

I'd love to be wrong... but just look at the 5080. Long gone are the days when we'd get tons better performance at cheap prices. Honestly makes me think they should just manufacture the cheaper models on larger node sizes to save on manufacturing costs and make them actual budget GPUs.
 
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XeNoNF50 said:
Someone I knows FE 5090 arrived bricked
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Now we know why there are no reports of 5090 having PCIE5 issues... they all broke before that was even an issue.:P

In separate but related news, the comment pages on every wccftech.com article are a literal dumpster fire. Hardly ever anything about the article, mostly about Trump and horrific comments about gay people.
 
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Sargatanas2511 said:
So the 5080 is underwhelming and barely an upgrade with nothing really to warrant a purchase. But yet the limited stock is still flying off shelves because of FOMO and hype.

Nvidia could have made the 5080 $1500 and the 5090 $3000 and the same thing would have happened.
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Depends what people are upgrading from...
People (mostly youtubers) forget that many gamers are not upgrading from a 4080, to some it will be a massive upgrade.
I saw one youtuber recommend a 4080 super over the 5080, even if you can find it for the same price. why?
It's a disappointing card compared to other gens I agree, and I also agree it's more like a 5070 than a 5080, but people are overblowing it massively.
 
Monkeyboysteve said:
Depends what people are upgrading from...
People (mostly youtubers) forget that many gamers are not upgrading from a 4080, to some it will be a massive upgrade.
I saw one youtuber recommend a 4080 super over the 5080, even if you can find it for the same price. why?
It's a disappointing card compared to other gens I agree, and I also agree it's more like a 5070 than a 5080, but people are overblowing it massively.
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With the 5080 costs though you would be far better looking for a used 4090 for not much, if any more.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
With the 5080 costs though you would be far better looking for a used 4090 for not much, if any more.
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Would you really though?

Option a) buy a used 4090 for £1500 off some random on eBay. If it goes wrong you are screwed. End of.

Option b) buy a brand new 5080 for £1000-£1400 Slightly less than 4090 performance when overclocked, but small compromise for the peace of mind and a couple of hundred quid still in your pocket too. Not to mention you also get MFG thrown in.
 
ne0 said:
Would you really though?

Option a) buy a used 4090 for £1500 off some random on eBay. If it goes wrong you are screwed. End of.

Option b) buy a brand new 5080 for £1000-£1400 Slightly less than 4090 performance when overclocked, but small compromise for the peace of mind and a couple of hundred quid still in your pocket too. Not to mention you also get MFG thrown in.
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Option a) You're picking one available market and using a worstcase option as a reason to never do it. I have seen used 4090s for less in other places including here.

Option b) You have to be willing to overclock your brand new card, and hope to hit 3.2Ghz to even be close to the 4090.

You're using a worstcase 4090 story against a bestcase 5080 story and it's still a 50/50 case of what I would do.
 
I think what people have to realise with Nvidia GPU launches right now, is that the "launch" date is not really the launch date. Not properly anyway.

They just launch the product early before they can build loads of stock/inventory, to manufacture hype and keep prices up.

Everyone should try and just forget that these have technically "launched" and just wait a few months. Just sort of pretend they don't exist yet and set your watches to 3 - 6 months from now or something. Same process should be put into practice for every launch form now onwards.
 
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Monkeyboysteve said:
Depends what people are upgrading from...
People (mostly youtubers) forget that many gamers are not upgrading from a 4080, to some it will be a massive upgrade.
I saw one youtuber recommend a 4080 super over the 5080, even if you can find it for the same price. why?
It's a disappointing card compared to other gens I agree, and I also agree it's more like a 5070 than a 5080, but people are overblowing it massively.
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The reviews have been a bit silly yes. They seem to forget they should be advising people what to get in todays market, and it's not helpful telling people what they could have got 2 years ago or what they should have got based on historical shader/class scaling. One popular tech tuber even recommended to get a 4080 super over a 5080 if it was more than 10% cheaper, completely ignoring all the new features on the 5080 like better encoder, Display port 2, and improved ray tracing and Ai. I would be ****** if I had followed advise like that and then down the line got a new monitor with DP 2.1 or I needed the Ai improvements or MFG.
 
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Varys said:

Didn't a couple of the AIB companies say last week there were issues with the bios sent by Nvidia with the 5090's which was the reason for the delay

As always early adopter beta testing...
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Hang on a minute. Someone yesterday in this thread told me the 50 series is the same as the 40 series so doesn't need much testing...
 
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