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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

Rogueywon said:
I've never had good experiences selling on eBay, particularly when selling tech. I've been lucky with a couple of previous GPUs that I've had friends wanting to buy them. Yes, I gave a "mate's rate" around 25% below what I might have managed on eBay, but there was just less hassle all-round. When that hasn't been possible, I've taken the card to... oh dear... CEX. Yes, they absolutely rip you off, but once you've got the money, you never need think about it again.
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I've sold three GPUs on ebay, two people claimed they got an empty box, so collection only and be warned.
 
harmattan said:
Despite my reservations on the 5080, congrats to you. It looks like a great card.

I suspect holding back on going whole hog with a 5090 will turn out to be like good decision for many. Once the dust has settled, the performance uptick on 6090 should be emminantly much more impressive.
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Congrats, i'm in the same boat and got an MSI for £979, will spend the other 1400 from my 5090 pre order on something useful! RRP was really my limit for a 5090, but the foma is caused me an issue!
 
heatonpkmassive said:
Involving a 3rd party cable would make a warranty claim tricky, they'd use it to refuse a claim despite it being up to spec.

Like almost everyone, I feel they've just gone over a limit in terms of power.
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100% be difficult to get a warranty claim on it, would be too easy and in their interest to put it down to the 3rd party cable.

Power draw through this cable is definitely worrying. Im hoping AIB's have some stuff in place to help regulate the power draw somehow? (not clued up on electrics so no idea if im talking rubbish lol). Either way, when i get mine i will be keeping a very close eye on it and wont ever leave it unattended for a long long time.
 
Madpete said:
Well the connector and power design is garbage, and Nvidia decided to pump more power through it....
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The thing I find funny about the whole farse, is that back when Nvidia first unveiled the 12 pin connector in, what 2020? Myself and many others immediately pointed out that it was substantially weaker than a triple 8pin and that rather than design a good connector Nvidia had just fudged their wattage ratings by negating any semblance of safety, as it was in essence three ATX12V connectors combined then shrunk to 75% scale, but the fanboys just laughed at us because of course Nvidia knew best.

If it wasn't for rampant fanboyism this joke connector would have been laughed out of the room the second it appeared and third parties would have refused to use it in the face of potential consumer backlash, but no, Nvidia were allowed to Nvidia and here we are years later facing the same issues xD

For reference the 12VHPWR connector is essentially three ATX12V connectors combined then shrunk to 75% scale. If it was rated in line with everything else in the ATX/PCI standards it would be limited to a max of 378w and most likely much lower.
 
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heatonpkmassive said:
Involving a 3rd party cable would make a warranty claim tricky, they'd use it to refuse a claim despite it being up to spec.

Like almost everyone, I feel they've just gone over a limit in terms of power.
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The 6 lines are ultimately shorted on the board side. There is no individual line balancing or control. The imbalance can only be the result of different resistances on the lines. Variation can come from contact resistance at either end or the crimping to the pins.

It's a very poor standard because there's not enough margin but ultimately the imbalance has to be in the connection.
 
DavieJG said:
The 6 lines are ultimately shorted on the board side. There is no individual line balancing or control. The imbalance can only be the result of different resistances on the lines. Variation can come from contact resistance at either end or the crimping to the pins.

It's a very poor standard because there's not enough margin but ultimately the imbalance has to be in the connection.
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I agree. They've clearly underestimated that connection on the FE with only one shunt resistor, the one FE I probably wouldn't want now.
 
TheCarcassKing said:
100% be difficult to get a warranty claim on it, would be too easy and in their interest to put it down to the 3rd party cable.

Power draw through this cable is definitely worrying. Im hoping AIB's have some stuff in place to help regulate the power draw somehow? (not clued up on electrics so no idea if im talking rubbish lol). Either way, when i get mine i will be keeping a very close eye on it and wont ever leave it unattended for a long long time.
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MSI and Asus have put lots of extra shunt resistors on their cards to try and combat the issue.
 
heatonpkmassive said:
Should point out, only on the halo cards like the Astral and the Asus equivalent. I think regular cards don't have it, so depends on the area you're shopping in.
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Pardon my stupidity but what is a "halo" card? I assume it means the highest tier? You mentioned in post #3590 that MSI added extra shunt resistors, i take it the suprim soc will have these too?
 
TheCarcassKing said:
Pardon my stupidity but what is a "halo" card? I assume it means the highest tier? You mentioned in post #3590 that MSI added extra shunt resistors, i take it the suprim soc will have these too?
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Suprim IS a high tier MSI card, but I'd search around the Internet for a definitive answer. I only know the Astral for sure has this.
 
Only the Astral and Astral LC have the extra shunt resistors. Basically the card knows how much voltage goes through each wire and can report this to you in the GPU Tweak software. It doesn't fix the poor design of the spec overall but at least shows you if there's an issue.

AFAIK MSI and other AIBs haven't done this so far.
 
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marios50 said:
Only the Astral and Astral LC have the extra shunt resistors. Basically the card knows how much voltage goes through each wire and can report this to you in the GPU Tweak software. It doesn't fix the poor design of the spec overall but at least shows you if there's an issue.

AFAIK MSI and other AIBs haven't done this so far.
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Thats a real shame, should be standard for all cards, especially the ones maxing out the power cable.
 
heatonpkmassive said:
Involving a 3rd party cable would make a warranty claim tricky, they'd use it to refuse a claim despite it being up to spec.

Like almost everyone, I feel they've just gone over a limit in terms of power.
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I think DeBauer said it in his video tosay, techniacally all cables are third party excpt for the ones that came with the graphics card, meaning any cablke that came with your PSU = third party
 
marios50 said:
Only the Astral and Astral LC have the extra shunt resistors. Basically the card knows how much voltage goes through each wire and can report this to you in the GPU Tweak software. It doesn't fix the poor design of the spec overall but at least shows you if there's an issue.

AFAIK MSI and other AIBs haven't done this so far.
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At £3000 & £3200 I hope they work..
 
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