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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

TheCarcassKing said:
Pardon my stupidity but what is a "halo" card? I assume it means the highest tier? You mentioned in post #3590 that MSI added extra shunt resistors, i take it the suprim soc will have these too?
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‘Halo product’ usually means a widely well received (and often ‘top of the line’) product offered by a manufacturer / brand, that resonates with the public as being an ‘ultra-desirable thing’ and promotes that manufacturer / brand. Example: ‘Air Jordan’ basketball trainers by Nike.

In this context, it’s most likely meant as the ‘top / highest tier / flagship’ card.
 
Nitefly said:
‘Halo product’ usually means a widely well received (and often ‘top of the line’) product offered by a manufacturer / brand, that resonates with the public as being an ‘ultra-desirable thing’ and promotes that manufacturer / brand. Example: ‘Air Jordan’ basketball trainers by Nike.

In this context, it’s most likely meant as the ‘top / highest tier / flagship’ card.
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Ah i see, i was close but not quite there! Thankyou for the easy understanding of the meaning!
 
cliffy said:
I think DeBauer said it in his video tosay, techniacally all cables are third party excpt for the ones that came with the graphics card, meaning any cablke that came with your PSU = third party
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But if I remember from the 4090, you don't actually get a cable with your GPU, or at least I didn't with my Inno3D. What you get is a "squid" adapter to convert multiple 8-pins into a 12-pin. That's for people whose PSU doesn't have native 12vhpwr support. For those that do, the full expectation is that you use the cable supplied with the PSU.
 
Major774 said:

Interesting video… The MSI 5080 Gaming Trio is not that great for the current asking price, glad I didn’t order it.
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What always strikes me in these round up reviews is how worthless the extra "features" are on the much more expensive cards. Probably why these reviews often end up with "it doesn't really matter which card you pick, there's little difference". Sure, that Auros has a good cooler, but who on Earth cares about that dumb little LCD display? Even considering deltas in temps, noise, and overclocking between the best and worst cards, the difference is minimal. The difference in performance from OC between the best and "worst" results across cards:
  1. Performance withing 5% of each others across all games, invluding overclocked
  2. Temp - 70c (FE) vs 60c (Astral)
  3. Fan DB - 45db (Trio) vs 57db (Astral)
The only real aberration is the FE on temps, but we knew that, and even 70c load is still very good. As for the Trio being bad for the price (which actually is only 2-slot and scored decently in temps and better than the FE).... yeah, they're all very bad for the asking price at present.

The takeaway is, when considering which card to buy, paying an extra £400+ for a 5080 Astral/Auros/Suprim/Strix on top of already highway-robbery prices is just plain unreasonable. And as for the argument that you're willing to pay anything more than a modicum of extra on astetics of a video card, well as my grandmother used to say... bless you're little heart.
 
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Harlequin said:
Pushing the 5090 prices to that of the `AI` cards. Got to keep shareholders happy!
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Well, nV goes where the money is. I've seen the budget for my organization last year for "AI compute" and the sum is mind boggling, more than we've paid for cloud storage and on-the-ground hardware over the past two years combined. I did a double take had to count the extra digits three times. Companies are sinking huge portions of capital reserves into it. If enterprise is going to pay £5000 a pop for a GB202 (or marginally less just to use it), us gamers have no chance.
 
harmattan said:
Well, nV goes where the money is. I've seen the budget for my organization last year for "AI compute" and the sum is mind boggling, more than we've paid for cloud storage and on-the-ground hardware over the past two years combined. I did a double take had to count the extra digits three times. Companies are sinking huge portions of capital reserves into it. If enterprise is going to pay £5000 a pop for a GB202 (or marginally less just to use it), us gamers have no chance.
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Depending on a companies specific AI needs - AMD are actually better at Inference than Nvidia (cost to output ratio)
 
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Position 220 down from 252 for the Zotac solid. However I’d be lying if I said all this talk of melting connectors didn’t get me a little bit worried.

Is this something concerning enough to hold off from or just a rare occurrence?
 
harmattan said:
You've been lucky. I'd say 1/3 of my card sales over the past year have ended up being returns -- it seems to have gotten worse over the past few years as "buyers" look at it as a rent-to-try service with many gaming the system. During high-volume/high-liquidity/high-priced times like this around GPU launches, the probability of you getting a return are much higher. And like you say, buyers can return for any reason whatsoever for 30 days with no recourse for the seller and the buyer always wins. In short, it's asking for trouble selling now.

As an aside, while there are other risks with this in the US, it's much less likely for sellers to get burnt as the return period is much shorter and the seller is often protected. When I moved over to the UK, I was super surprised how many people felt entitled to return goods that they'd effectively contracted to buy that were perfectly good and as described.

The service is a long way off when I first used it in 2000 to buy a Pani Laser Disc player and lot of 30 Criterion discs for $60. The seller was local, asked me to stop over to collect, and had me stay for a lovely dinner with his family (which I kindly accepted being a destitude student).

Edit: My apologies, missed responding to your question on guidance. A few points I follow:
  • Sell at a reasonable price
  • You can't add hard rules, but I have disclaimers about not selling to >1-year members with less than 20 feedback
  • I have a few other disclaimer points to scare away fraudsters e.g. only sending to confirmed address, shipping promptly (I've had a buyer ask me to wait to send for a week, obviously trying to time to have return window end after a card launch), taking serial numbers
  • Never sell within 30 days of a card launch, or when stock of new cards is incoming (now, for example); state no low-ball or out-of-terms offers
  • Sell at a reasonable price, making the sale more attractive to keep for the buyer -- don't be greedy. I sold my RTX 4090 Strix in late November for £1650 which was a fair used price, and not one that the buyer would be looking to return now. Remember those £2000+ sold prices you're seeing at present won't stick have a super high probability of the buyer returning and/or other tomfoolery -- not worth the headache
  • Communicate with the buyer. You can often suss out bad apples, and if you're spidey sense it tingling, don't accept offers from sellers (if offers are in play)
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Thank you for the suggestions, this is really comprehensive. Sounds like best bet is to wait a few more months, take a hit of a few hundred pounds, but have a lot more certainty that a buyer would be genuine. Shame there is no way of putting hard filters on buyers for expensive items eg only high feedback etc
 
i'm in the same boat , i cannot afford to replace a blown psu and whatever other damage it causes , waiting until an update come out from nvidia or a second run of cards with the issue fixed
 
Muz333 said:
Position 220 down from 252 for the Zotac solid. However I’d be lying if I said all this talk of melting connectors didn’t get me a little bit worried.

Is this something concerning enough to hold off from or just a rare occurrence?
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Well 5090 wise you can set a power limit with an oc and still get most of the performance people were saying. That's what I'll do I think.
 
Rawr said:
Well 5090 wise you can set a power limit with an oc and still get most of the performance people were saying. That's what I'll do I think.
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I thought the issue was even with a lower limit the entire power draw could go through a single pin?

Maybe in the long wait in the queue something will be revised before I get my card. Or maybe the Zotac solid will be like, super duper solid, right?
 
Muz333 said:
I thought the issue was even with a lower limit the entire power draw could go through a single pin?

Maybe in the long wait in the queue something will be revised before I get my card. Or maybe the Zotac solid will be like, super duper solid, right?
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The 4090 was the same though and the power limit puts it around the same if not below it. We saw some 4090s melting but it wasn't the end of the world for them.
 
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