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It's not user error. The only reason the 4090 melts less is because it draws less power. It has the exact same power deliver setup. It is every bit as flawed as a 5090.
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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion
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And for 4090 models that have an H+ connector, more flawed.
The 4090 was 100% melting, it happened to mine and I can absolutely assure you it wasn't down to user error , I know of others that have melted also again cable fully seated and secure yet melted ... it's a **** design and should not have been used on a gpu period, it's far to fussy.
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Every single battery is designed that way. Short the terminals and it will give you all the current it can.
The PSU is limited. It's single rail 12v and limited to whatever that big number written on the side of it is. If it says 1000w that means it will give 83A. It cannot know what loads or what connectors you're going to use so the standards all push that responsibility to the device(s) drawing current.
The problem is that Nvidia's design does not respect that responsibility and can allow inappropriate current down too few conductors.
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Oh awesome! Please share some benchmarks and temps (core and memory) when you have a moment. I am really curious as to have it performs given it is one of the smaller 5090s.
This is a good example. People doing well in their respective fields that would have spent extra disposable income on golf clubs or some other snore fest.
Now Nvidia are pricing to tap into that money. It's exploitative but they know the market is there.
It’s not just gen on gen which is bad though, go back 4.5 years and you’re looking at +66% performance for 43% more money, so just a 23% increase in performance per dollar since 2020.
2016 - 2020 would have got you 126% performance for 16% more money or a 110% increase in performance per dollar which is over 4x higher than today.
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I reckon this is why Nvidia might get away with all this. They don't supply the end-to-end chain. Most electrical devices come with a power cable that plugs into the wall and it's clear you are at fault for dangerous electronic design. Maybe there's nothing clearly defined in some safety standard that insists things like GPUs do their own power balancing/checking. I know it's typical for that to happen but maybe it's not hard-defined in regulation.
I don’t dispute that but I think the most relevant question for people in the market for a new card today is… which high end card gives the best bang for buck?
It is the 5080… at MSRP pricing, anyway. It would still be the best bang for buck even if you could get a 4090 at MSRP. Well, unless you’re one of the people that thinks a card is terrible unless you can play a modded high res pack games that make the most of the vram (tiny % of buyers).
That stands unless AMD offer something compelling but I’m not holding my breath. Here’s hoping they can be competitive.
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Nah don't agree, the 4090 cannot be in the conversation for one of the best cards they've ever made when it's a fire risk.
This!
I can remember posting here more than once that I was perfectly happy with the performance of my 3080 Ti, and was not going to upgrade until the 5 series.
However, (and fortunately so, looking at the 5 series debacle) I had a small change of circumstance which meant I had to spend some dosh and I chose to buy a new 4090 FE which luckily became available at the same time.
Had the above not happened, I would now be in the same boat, attempting to upgrade from 3 to 5 series.
And in light of the despicable descison by Nvidia to drop PhysX support, I'd more than likely be trying to buy a s/h 4090.
It’s almost like they knew about it and shipped them anyway…
Historically all standards like this would have been created by IEEE steering committees and it would have been massively over engineered but most critically, safe.
This time around Nvidia got their feet under the table to steer the creation of the new 12vHPWR. This probably left the standard full of holes which they've now tried their luck with.
Any second year EE undergrad could tell you the current implementation stinks though.
In honest truth, I think I speak for most of us that the launch is the worst launch of an Nvidia GPU series, perhaps ever. Never has there been so many issues with such high-end products, all the while the customers are getting price gouged.So how's everyone enjoying the launch?
Sure, we could be here feeling sad and miserable that Nvidia's greed and incompetence, has killed off any hopes of upgrades for most folks.
But all we can do in this situation is just laugh about it, since even complaining about it or voting with our wallets seems to have gotten us all nowhere. So that's what I've been doing, having given up any hopes of 5000 being a good GPU series, make memes and have laugh. Same thing on the AMD side, fully expecting AMD to mess up their new GPU launch like they always do, might as well have ajoke about it, instead of crying over electronics that are too expensive and unavailable to buy.
So yeah, this launch is just so bad it's hilarious for me at this point, no hopes of expecting anything good out of it.
Apologies mate, you are correct, my mistake. It's not my intention to make fun of your situation personally or anyone else's for that matter
The fact is that this shouldn't even be happening at all, it's atrocious that such expensive products have such problems. I was just on autopilot laughing at the fact that a trillion dollar company can mess up so badly, not at you mate (as mentioned above). I had intended to unclick given the likelyhood of misinterpretation, but forgot to do so. If it helps, feel free to laugh at my expense for buying a GTX 970 10 years ago with the 3.5GB VRAM. And that's something that can't be fixed by RMA. I hope you manage to get your 5090 sorted through RMA.I feel bad that overall most people hate the 5000 series and are dunking on it, but if you enjoy it mate, at least someone out there got something positive from this launch.
The rest of us... we got nothing.
So waiting to see what AMD bring with the 9070/XT would not be an option? Just get on with a cheaper stand in card until things normalise slightly is not an option. These are GPUs here, not life or death.
The idea that these people literally have zero option but to pay and feed the scalper nonsense is laughable.
The 5070ti actually looks far better bang for buck if we are just sticking with MSRP pricing.
TPU has the 5080 just 11% faster than a 5070ti but costs 33% more.
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I never said to feed scalpers. The chance of AMD making something better than the 5080 is approaching nil. What cheaper stand in cards?
This is not just about the 5080 though is it? There are plenty of cheaper GPUs that will be perfectly fine, or just keep your existing one.
Thanks for people like @mahius for laughing at my situation but i just hit jackpot
Card was purchased from probably teh worlds largest online retailer. They could not offer me a replacement as they have none so they have told me to keep the card and given me a patial refund of £625 (original price £2499) meaning RTX 5090 Caming Trio OC cost me £1874. I also have it in writing that my warranty with MSI is unaffected and am still claim a replacement card from them directly
Card was purchased from probably teh worlds largest online retailer. They could not offer me a replacement as they have none so they have told me to keep the card and given me a patial refund of £625 (original price £2499) meaning RTX 5090 Caming Trio OC cost me £1874. I also have it in writing that my warranty with MSI is unaffected and am still claim a replacement card from them directly
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