AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[henson0115]

Contact frames, If they didn't screw them down all the way then the CPU won't make proper contact resulting in various weirdness, They can only be screwed down so far but maybe people aren't doing it fully as it's meant to be a flush fit, Tight to the board.

that was the word i was looking for that was escaping me thanks

 

[gupsterg]

Yeah I'd avoid the contact frames.

I got one for about £2 with a far eastern order to see what they are like, Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame V2.

I had read reports some have "weirdness" as Dicehunter states. I bought it as thought I didn't want excess TIM going into the voids around IHS, as cleaning after may be a pain.

Without fitting to a board, I put it around a processor to see fit. It was not correctly manufactured and had to somewhat force the CPU in. So I never used it, as felt CPU may not sit evenly in socket.

I've swapped around several 9000 series CPU. I get very little TIM overspill. Any very minute overspill into voids around IHS I clean using a q-tip before release socket frame.

 

[--CARBON--]

Yeah I'd avoid the contact frames.

I got one for about £2 with a far eastern order to see what they are like, Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame V2.

I had read reports some have "weirdness" as Dicehunter states. I bought it as thought I didn't want excess TIM going into the voids around IHS, as cleaning after may be a pain.

Without fitting to a board, I put it around a processor to see fit. It was not correctly manufactured and had to somewhat force the CPU in. So I never used it, as felt CPU may not sit evenly in socket.

I've swapped around several 9000 series CPU. I get very little TIM overspill. Any very minute overspill into voids around IHS I clean using a q-tip before release socket frame.

I use from day 1 Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame V2 on my 9800X3D with ASRock X870 Riptide (befor also on X870 PRO RS WIFI) with zero issue

 

[Glanza]

 

[henson0115]

Yeah I'd avoid the contact frames.

I got one for about £2 with a far eastern order to see what they are like, Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame V2.

I had read reports some have "weirdness" as Dicehunter states. I bought it as thought I didn't want excess TIM going into the voids around IHS, as cleaning after may be a pain.

Without fitting to a board, I put it around a processor to see fit. It was not correctly manufactured and had to somewhat force the CPU in. So I never used it, as felt CPU may not sit evenly in socket.

I've swapped around several 9000 series CPU. I get very little TIM overspill. Any very minute overspill into voids around IHS I clean using a q-tip before release socket frame.

overspill is way less of an issue than pressure anyway

 

[Dicehunter]

Some may find this useful, I was getting odd stutter in some games, Spiderman Remastered for example, And it appears Windows 11's virtualisation based security causes various performance issues with the 9800X3D, Something Microsoft needs to fix ASAP.

Tweaks:
1. Go to Windows Security->Virus and Threat Protection->Manage Settings->Turn off Tamper Protection
2. Go to search box and type 'core isolation'. Turn off EVERYTHING and reboot system.
3. Go to BIOS and disable AMD Virtualization stuff. There are 2 things that you need to disable:
a) SVM (This will disable virtualization)
b) IOMMU (This will disable Hyper V crap)

I went from an odd stutter every few seconds in Spiderman Remastered to silky smooth performance.

Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke I re-enabled all of it and sure enough the stutter came back.

Found here -

 

[gupsterg]

Truly stunned. Previously shared how I apply TIM and got called out, when I never quoted anyone, or directed my post at anyone. And was sharing my process. Now state what I saw with frame and why I don't use. Again not calling out another, and boom, get multiple post call out. No wonder I don't use OCuk forum much....

I use from day 1 Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame V2 on my 9800X3D with ASRock X870 Riptide (befor also on X870 PRO RS WIFI) with zero issue

No worries . Our experiences will differ, I just shared mine as discusion was as such in thread. Each to their own I guess .

overspill is way less of an issue than pressure anyway

No problem. As said before I bought for that purpose as do a lot of CPU swaps at times. It didn't fit properly so I thought best not to use it.

Again our experiences will differ, that was mine.

So far I have not encountered issues from pressure of mounting cooling method used. Have used air and recently gone WC with my setups. Again others experience may differ, only stating mine, as it is a forum .

 

[opethdisciple]

Some may find this useful, I was getting odd stutter in some games, Spiderman Remastered for example, And it appears Windows 11's virtualisation based security causes various performance issues with the 9800X3D, Something Microsoft needs to fix ASAP.

Tweaks:
1. Go to Windows Security->Virus and Threat Protection->Manage Settings->Turn off Tamper Protection
2. Go to search box and type 'core isolation'. Turn off EVERYTHING and reboot system.
3. Go to BIOS and disable AMD Virtualization stuff. There are 2 things that you need to disable:
a) SVM (This will disable virtualization)
b) IOMMU (This will disable Hyper V crap)

I went from an odd stutter every few seconds in Spiderman Remastered to silky smooth performance.

Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke I re-enabled all of it and sure enough the stutter came back.

Found here -

CPU usage is so high here 60-80% and that's on a 9800x3d!

And people say we don't need CPU upgrades...

And GPU at 98% so it's still GPU bound.

 

[Dicehunter]

Truly stunned. Previously shared how I apply TIM and got called out, when I never quoted anyone, or directed my post at anyone. And was sharing my process. Now state what I saw with frame and why I don't use. Again not calling out another, and boom, get multiple post call out. No wonder I don't use OCuk forum much....

Ignore em, Some people just need to go outside and touch grass.

CPU usage is so high here 60-80% and that's on a 9800x3d!

And people say we don't need CPU upgrades...

And GPU at 98% so it's still GPU bound.

Yeah I imagine we'll see 12 core X3D's with Zen 6 which will nicely help with various scenarios and hopefully by then Microsoft will have fixed their virtualisation based security

 

[Awahwah]

Ignore em, Some people just need to go outside and touch grass.



Yeah I imagine we'll see 12 core X3D's with Zen 6 which will nicely help with various scenarios and hopefully by then Microsoft will have fixed their virtualisation based security

MS fix stuff?? ha.

 

[hornetstinger]

CPU usage is so high here 60-80% and that's on a 9800x3d!

And people say we don't need CPU upgrades...

And GPU at 98% so it's still GPU bound.

Previous spiderman was pretty well optimised, for SM2 have they changed engine? I could play SM1 on my xeon / 5670 system fine

 

[opethdisciple]

Previous spiderman was pretty well optimised, for SM2 have they changed engine? I could play SM1 on my xeon / 5670 system fine

That video is of the original Spiderman Remastered. Not SM2.

 

[Dicehunter]

Previous spiderman was pretty well optimised, for SM2 have they changed engine? I could play SM1 on my xeon / 5670 system fine

This was on SM1, I think the engine just uses what is available pretty nicely when MS aren't hobbling performance with VBS.

 

[hornetstinger]

That video is of the original Spiderman Remastered. Not SM2.

oh that's the one that plays fine on my PC.

 

[opethdisciple]

oh that's the one that plays fine on my PC.

Yea. It played well for me too on a 5800x3d but you can see in the video even a 9800x3d is getting a good workout.

The difference will be in the smoothness I reckon.

I'm not touching SM2 yet as it's a mess technically.

 

[Dicehunter]

Yea. It played well for me too on a 5800x3d but you can see in the video even a 9800x3d is getting a good workout.

The difference will be in the smoothness I reckon.

I'm not touching SM2 yet as it's a mess technically.

The higher CPU usage is down to FPS.

Capped FPS at 60 with frame gen on though -

Uncapped FPS -

A 39% hike in CPU usage with uncapped frames.

And yes, SM2 is a mess, Performance is very random with lots of people reporting random driver crashes on both AMD and Nvidia as well as various oddities.

 

[idb1rec]

Some may find this useful, I was getting odd stutter in some games, Spiderman Remastered for example, And it appears Windows 11's virtualisation based security causes various performance issues with the 9800X3D, Something Microsoft needs to fix ASAP.

Tweaks:
1. Go to Windows Security->Virus and Threat Protection->Manage Settings->Turn off Tamper Protection
2. Go to search box and type 'core isolation'. Turn off EVERYTHING and reboot system.
3. Go to BIOS and disable AMD Virtualization stuff. There are 2 things that you need to disable:
a) SVM (This will disable virtualization)
b) IOMMU (This will disable Hyper V crap)

I went from an odd stutter every few seconds in Spiderman Remastered to silky smooth performance.

Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke I re-enabled all of it and sure enough the stutter came back.

Found here -

Find most games stutter more than my old 9900ks setup but gradually getting smother just put most of it down to windows 24h2 and not doing a fresh install of windows until I get a 2/4tb nvme in a few weeks. One question though. I'm running a 4070ti gen 3 nvme 2 sata drives. Will I get full speed on a gen 4 nvme? On a Gigabyte B650E AORUS ELITE X AX ICE ATX. Sorry the question is abit off topic

 

[hornetstinger]

Find most games stutter more than my old 9900ks setup but gradually getting smother just put most of it down to windows 24h2 and not doing a fresh install of windows until I get a 2/4tb nvme in a few weeks. One question though. I'm running a 4070ti gen 3 nvme 2 sata drives. Will I get full speed on a gen 4 nvme? On a Gigabyte B650E AORUS ELITE X AX ICE ATX. Sorry the question is abit off topic

Try a debloated install. The one I use is 2.5gb iso so lots of stuff removed. I think even calculator was removed haha

Can manually install them if needed

 

[Dicehunter]

Find most games stutter more than my old 9900ks setup but gradually getting smother just put most of it down to windows 24h2 and not doing a fresh install of windows until I get a 2/4tb nvme in a few weeks. One question though. I'm running a 4070ti gen 3 nvme 2 sata drives. Will I get full speed on a gen 4 nvme? On a Gigabyte B650E AORUS ELITE X AX ICE ATX. Sorry the question is abit off topic

All the NVME slots on your specific board are gen 4 with the top most being gen 5 so yes you'll get the max speed your drive can output

 

[idb1rec]

Try a debloated install. The one I use is 2.5gb iso so lots of stuff removed. I think even calculator was removed haha

Can manually install them if needed

Already done a debloat with the Chris Titus script as don't use half the stuff windows wants me to have and know about my pc. Was checking out a channel the other day comparing windows customer installs so might watch it again and pic the best overall when it comes round to doing a new install.
Thanks dicehunter wasn't sure as seen so much about it taking 8 lanes from the GPU not that 2% is a lot my every little bit helps.