I do not disagree with you and I'm not adverse to the concept of restoration, even it it seems slightly trite when viewed in the round of all public sector services. I'm just offering a way to address some of the concerns in a way which remains fiscally affordable.
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I think this is what a grown up Government would do too, I don’t think it would take much to abort the strikes personally but there is no appetite for that.
If I was the BMA I would pull out of hours cover indefinitely at the end of these strikes. The narrative from Wes Streeting and NHSE is just offensive and is increasing the desire to escalate IA.
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that works as well.
Saw Streeting on TV before moaning that doctors shouldn't be striking after getting a 28.9% raise, it'd unthinkable.
For those wondering where he got his figures from. They received a ~9% increase off the Tories and a @4% increase of him for the 23/24 pay year, 8% for the 24/25 pay year and he's offering them 5.4% for the 25/26 pay year making a grand total of 28.9% Over three years. However it's actually -6.1% because they started out the three year period at -35% due to fifteen years of Tory pay cuts/freezes.
Junior Doctor doesn't/didn't mean a new doctor (that's why they've changed the term) although a small percentage will obviously be fresh/new. It basically just meant a doctor with under a decades experience (on average, a lot of junior doctors have well over a decades experience they just havent opted to progress/advance their career).
For those wondering where he got his figures from. They received a ~9% increase off the Tories and a @4% increase of him for the 23/24 pay year, 8% for the 24/25 pay year and he's offering them 5.4% for the 25/26 pay year making a grand total of 28.9% Over three years. However it's actually -6.1% because they started out the three year period at -35% due to fifteen years of Tory pay cuts/freezes.
Many of the resident doctors being screwed over by the government today started their medical training in the 00's with some outliers even starting at the end of the 90s.
Junior Doctor doesn't/didn't mean a new doctor (that's why they've changed the term) although a small percentage will obviously be fresh/new. It basically just meant a doctor with under a decades experience (on average, a lot of junior doctors have well over a decades experience they just havent opted to progress/advance their career).
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I think everyone acknowledges that they have lost pay over time but why punish a Labour government for what the Tories did to them. Labour have made efforts towards pay restoration and got a lot of flak for doing so, with many slating them for giving away large pay rises to keep their union paymasters happy etc. All this happened under very tight financial constraints where they were literally scratching around trying to save money here and there.
No they weren't, at the same time as £70k for the train drivers Rachel was plundering business NI and IHT raises to pay for increased wages, and increased lump sums to the NHS. It is no wonder that unemployment is rising and that teachers and nurses are also eying up large pay rises or strike action this year. Because they will get away with it. Labour have empowered the unions and we are heading back not to 2008 but to 1978 I can see.
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I agree with you, although I did qualify and attribute my thinking towards newly qualified doctors rather than those who have been in post for five or more years. I am not arguing that doctors should not be paid more, but rather suggesting that doctors should consider the broader fiscal reality of the situation alongside other medical professionals and within the wider public sector.
Thats one way of looking at it, or you could say they raised taxes to help reduce the nigh on 8m people sitting on waiting lists and to quell the ongoing strikes caused by 14 years of underfunding by the Tories
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I can't see them quelling ongoing strikes anytime soon.
It did when they first got in but many of the workers are so far behind that this years pay awards cant make up for the years before, they have to accept it will take place over the time they have of this parliament and not all in one go
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Until Labour are kicked out again and the rights of trade unions are restored to pre 2025. Until then we will have public sector strikes every year, little growth and the general public ignored.
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I see the nurses might be next.... Anyone know what they are asking for?
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Please do explain how the rights of trade unions have changed since Labour won the election?
I’ll save you responding, they haven’t changed at all.
You mean like the last 15 years of tory rule?
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Too important to be allowed to strike, not important enough to pay properly.
Very motivational.....
I would suggest that any group powerful enough won't give a **** if you tell them they can't strike legally. The doctors have a lot of power. They know this.
You have not read about the bill going through parliament at the moment with significant additional rights for unions.
So there have been no changes that impact unions since Labour took power. Glad we cleared that up.
As for the workers rights bill which hasn’t yet passed, it changes very little regarding unions. All it gives is unions the right of access to a workplace to organise, as it stands an employer can block access to unions to access workplaces for recruitment and organisation.
This is something that exists in many European counties already and is a total nothing burger.
If you are running a good employer, you don’t need to be afraid of unions, heck, the very fact people want to unionise probably indicates you’ve failed at that objective.
As for the workers rights bill which hasn’t yet passed, it changes very little regarding unions. All it gives is unions the right of access to a workplace to organise, as it stands an employer can block access to unions to access workplaces for recruitment and organisation.
This is something that exists in many European counties already and is a total nothing burger.
If you are running a good employer, you don’t need to be afraid of unions, heck, the very fact people want to unionise probably indicates you’ve failed at that objective.
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