First time build

[nerdshack888]

Had a look at the Phanteks AMP GH 1000W and it looks good but the overclockers website says 3.0 but the phanteks website says 3.1 which do you think is right?

 

[freddie64]

Had a look at the Phanteks AMP GH 1000W and it looks good but the overclockers website says 3.0 but the phanteks website says 3.1 which do you think is right?

MPN and EAN numbers match with Phanteks site so i would say it will be 3.1.

 

[Tetras]

Had a good look at the montech psu's which seemed good and good prices but they have 4 x 8 pin connectors but on 2 cables so share the wattage so not good if i get a 9070 xt with 3 x 8 pin connectors.

ATX 3.x PSUs often have problems with limited PCIE 8-pin connectors/cables I'm afraid, but I think you'd be fine with 2 cables on a 9070 XT with a good PSU.

 

[freddie64]

Had a good look at the montech psu's which seemed good and good prices but they have 4 x 8 pin connectors but on 2 cables so share the wattage so not good if i get a 9070 xt with 3 x 8 pin connectors.

Looks like the Phanteks PSU comes with 4 PCI-E cables with 1 connector on each cable.

 

[nerdshack888]

Yes the Phantek looks like a good option but there is another thread on this forum in the psu section mentioning the cable management is hard work because of individually textured cables.

 

[freddie64]

Yes the Phantek looks like a good option but there is another thread on this forum in the psu section mentioning the cable management is hard work because of individually textured cables.

You do have to do a bit of work to get them tidy, but i find them easier to work with as single cables lay flatter behind the motherboard tray and i think you get some cable combs to tidy what is on show.

 

[nerdshack888]

ok, thanks so my options are :

Phanteks AMP GH 1000 W £129
NZXT C1000 (2024) 1000 W £156
Corsair RM1000x (2024) 1000 W £150-£165

which do you think is the best one not taking in to account the price difference or do you not see much difference between them,corsair and nzxt have 10 year warranty and the phanteks has 8 year.

 

[nerdshack888]

Another question i have, is it possible to have 2 gpu's in my pc the 9070 xt and an older nvidia one, one to play modern games and one that is more compatible with the older ones, just wondering because i have quite a lot of older ones on steam and i have heard generally that NVIDIA is better than amd to play older games. would the drivers conflict with each other ?.

 

[Rogueywon]

Another question i have, is it possible to have 2 gpu's in my pc the 9070 xt and an older nvidia one, one to play modern games and one that is more compatible with the older ones, just wondering because i have quite a lot of older ones on steam and i have heard generally that NVIDIA is better than amd to play older games. would the drivers conflict with each other ?.

It's possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. AMD cards should be fine with almost all old games - I can't think of any that won't run on a 9070 XT that would be fine on an Nvidia card. It's the Intel GPUs that had some problems with older DX9 and earlier games. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?

 

[Tetras]

i have heard generally that NVIDIA is better than amd to play older games

AMD should be fine for the vast majority of older games, are you thinking of PhysX?

 

[nerdshack888]

thanks for the reply, not sure where i read it as i have so many different things on the internet will researching my new pc build. in one of my older questions i mentioned that the overclockers website said the phanteks psu was 3.0 but i checked and they said it is 3.1 and have changed the info on the website so thats good, any thoughts ok my psu choices if the prices where all the same and do you think the phanteks having the 8 year warranty compared to the other having a 10 year warranty matters?.

 

[Tetras]

thanks for the reply, not sure where i read it as i have so many different things on the internet will researching my new pc build. in one of my older questions i mentioned that the overclockers website said the phanteks psu was 3.0 but i checked and they said it is 3.1 and have changed the info on the website so thats good, any thoughts ok my psu choices if the prices where all the same and do you think the phanteks having the 8 year warranty compared to the other having a 10 year warranty matters?.

hwbusters have reviews of all three (well, only the platform for the Phanteks).

I would say that the NZXT and Corsair are fairly similar (same OEM too) and are solid high tier units.

The Phanteks performs well enough and has good efficiency, but the short length does have compromises and the general tuning and part selection might not be as top notch as the other two.

SPL's tier list puts the Phanteks as A, whereas the other two are A+.

 

[nerdshack888]

ok thanks, now i just someone who owns all three or has tested each specific unit to compare them.the phantek is about £20 cheaper, my initial thoughts was get the corsair but as i said in a previous post my last pc came with the RM550x and it stopped working but it did last 5 years so not sure how to decide.

 

[Tetras]

ok thanks, now i just someone who owns all three or has tested each specific unit to compare them.the phantek is about £20 cheaper, my initial thoughts was get the corsair but as i said in a previous post my last pc came with the RM550x and it stopped working but it did last 5 years so not sure how to decide.

Well, if you're not confident on the Corsair, in theory you'd need to discount the NZXT too, because the RMx line's OEM has been CWT from the beginning and the NZXT C-Series are almost all CWT too.

Personally, I don't like that Corsair dropped the -12v line from the RMx, just because of compatibility, so I'd lean toward the Phanteks.

Though, if I had the money, I'd get Antec's HCG Pro instead of all three, which is derived from Seasonic's Vertex. They're not cheap, but a fair number of been purchased on the forums and I haven't seen any complaints yet.

 

[Gray2233]

Well, if you're not confident on the Corsair, in theory you'd need to discount the NZXT too, because the RMx line's OEM has been CWT from the beginning and the NZXT C-Series are almost all CWT too.

Personally, I don't like that Corsair dropped the -12v line from the RMx, just because of compatibility, so I'd lean toward the Phanteks.

Though, if I had the money, I'd get Antec's HCG Pro instead of all three, which is derived from Seasonic's Vertex. They're not cheap, but a fair number of been purchased on the forums and I haven't seen any complaints yet.

The Phanteks Platinum 1000W is fantastically priced and my go to if there's a little wiggle room, but if you want the best of the best right now you'll struggle to outdo the HCG Pro which uses the very capable Seasonic VERTEX PX platform.

I don't think there's anything higher end on the market right now for consumers, and the price if you look around isn't a total pee take either in honesty.

 

[nerdshack888]

hi thanks for replies, had a look at the hcc pro 1000w but the price is a bit high for me at £190, if i did go for it i would have to downgrade other parts is it worth over the phanteks or corsair or nzxt, i was leaning towards the phanteks because of the price and the corsair and the nzxt didnt seem to have many advantages over it, if i was going to spend the difference between the phanteks at £129 and the hcg pro at £190 i would like to see more reviews as i have not found but a couple.

 

[nerdshack888]

has anybody got experience of owning any of my options?

 

[Tetras]

hi thanks for replies, had a look at the hcc pro 1000w but the price is a bit high for me at £190, if i did go for it i would have to downgrade other parts is it worth over the phanteks or corsair or nzxt, i was leaning towards the phanteks because of the price and the corsair and the nzxt didnt seem to have many advantages over it, if i was going to spend the difference between the phanteks at £129 and the hcg pro at £190 i would like to see more reviews as i have not found but a couple.

Hard for us to say much on here, but you can get one for less than that.

In terms of: is it worth it over the Corsair or NZXT? One difference is that you get higher efficiency rating, but what that amounts to in reality, I don't know. The reason I suggested it is because you don't seem keen on the CWT built PSUs and that's a Seasonic-derived alternative.

Would I downgrade components deliberately it get one? No, I would not.

has anybody got experience of owning any of my options?

If you have a look in the PSU forum, there's a thread on the Antec, there's a few owners of the Phanteks too, including a thread on that.

 

[sastusbulbas]

hi thanks for replies, had a look at the hcc pro 1000w but the price is a bit high for me at £190, if i did go for it i would have to downgrade other parts is it worth over the phanteks or corsair or nzxt, i was leaning towards the phanteks because of the price and the corsair and the nzxt didnt seem to have many advantages over it, if i was going to spend the difference between the phanteks at £129 and the hcg pro at £190 i would like to see more reviews as i have not found but a couple.

Personally I wonder if you could tell without any sort of monitor showing you numbers, what the 9800X3D is actually going to be doing for you?

Is there a reason your choosing that CPU? I know it has many fans, but honestly, it offers less FPS upgrades to casual users than a 5080 does over the 5070ti, and everyone hates the 5080 for it's lack of value. The reality is in many becnchmarks showing CPU/GPU scaling, the 9800X3D is pretty much like wiping your arse with money currently. Unless you actually own an Nvidia RTX 5080/5090. I know if I had a 5090 I would want a high end CPU, because benchmarks show it is about the only place where spending on a 9800X3d offers tangible benefits if you have the monitor to exploit it.

Between the 9070/9070xt/5070ti GPU choices you have a decent GPU. Yet none of those GPU's benefits from an overkill CPU in any meaningful manner in most games as can be seen on the likes of Hardware unboxed.

A cheaper CPU and quality PSU such as the Antec could be worth considering. Unless I had definitive evidence I would get a 100% improvement with a CPU costing two or three times that of a CPU that does the job, I see little worth.
We also have rumours of another two CPU tree's being discussed as happening with AM5, next year see's new AM5 CPU's and AMD have stated there will be another CPU line after that, before we see AM6. When AM6 is discussed and DDR6 hits Gamermeld clickbait, we will then know DDR5 prices will fall.
I personally cannot justify more than 32gb until I see my memory usage max out. I do not work with my computer in a proffesional manner, it makes me no money, therefor I don't need two idle cores on an 8/16 cpu nor 32gb of redundant memory as yet, this can of course be upgraded later if the needs arise or offers are too good.

I would be looking at a 7600x/9600x or 9700x CPU if looking at a balanced build around the 9070xt/5070ti. Those CPU's are capable of working right up to 5080 GPU levels with the majority of real world titles just as well as the 9800X3D due to how much the GPU itself sets the limit with current CPU/GPU scaling issues.

If money is tight you simply aim for a decent CPU with a decent GPU that will run off a decent PSU specced for the GPU. Headroom or futureproofing is often meaningless these days due to continual product development and pricing changes. As an example, I went for 650w PSU's when I needed 550w, and never needed the 650w, yet I upgraded to be future proof with a £250 Seasonic Prime TX 850w just before ATX 3.0 was released, duhhh. That was silly, as here we are now with ATX 3.1 out, and I still never got a GPU that needed the 850w PSU I currently have, and the PC that had the 850w got it replaced with a 650w that could still run a 9060xt or basic 9070 or 5070.

A nice PSU is the Antec HCG850w PSU, it has three 8pin PCI-e cables and a PCI-e 12v 2x6 cable, so will power pretty much any 9070xt/5070ti. If you need more headroom, there is a 1000w, and a 1200w. For the money and the 10yr guarantee it's decent value.

Also with a white motherboard I am guessing a white GPU? Guess what, more money same performance.
Don't worry I get it, my lad is set on an NZXT H6 in white with a white B850 motherboard and white 9070. I have no idea what I want because I loath spending £700 on a GPU just to see a 24gb come out after I buy it.
But unless your set on a white case white themed build and RGB, what do you really need, and what case and CPU cooler are you thinking of getting?

Are you currently using more than 32gb of memory? Is there a reason for 64gb apart from what might be or what reviewers have?

Currently I feel the 7600x at £140 is superb value, and I am struggling not to buy a basic 9070 16gb card at £500 as I feel buying anything above £600 currently with 16gb is going to be a regret if we are going to be seeing 5070ti GPU's with 24gb within a couple of months. By the end of next year we may well see better AM5 CPU's and 24gb GPU's as your mid range spec cards.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Eight Core 5.50GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02676) = £269.99
• 1 x Samsung 990 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.3c Solid State Drive (SKU: HD-24R-SA) = £149.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B850 Aorus Elite WIFI7 (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03856) = £189.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance 32GB EXPO (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: MEM-CRS-02786) = £119.99
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 Black Dual Tower CPU Air Cooler (SKU: COO-TLR-03288) = £39.95
• 1 x Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-SPR-03983) = £599.99
• 1 x Antec HCG 850 Pro Platinum 850W ATX3.1 Full modular Power Supply (SKU: POW-ATC-02745) = £159.94
• 1 x Antec Flux Mid Tower Case - Black (SKU: CAS-ATC-03470) = £99.95

Total: £1,629.79 (includes delivery: £0.00)​