Spec me a CCTV System

b0rn2sk8 said:
No, you are in a public place and there is no right to privacy in a public place.
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But it says:

Where possible owners should position their cameras to only capture their own property. However, if this isn’t possible and the CCTV captures someone else's property, a public area or communal space, then data protection law applies
 
sigma said:
But it says:

Where possible owners should position their cameras to only capture their own property. However, if this isn’t possible and the CCTV captures someone else's property, a public area or communal space, then data protection law applies
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Data protection laws apply but you can’t stop them recording you.

They need a valid reason to make the recordings (e.g. crime prevention is the typical one for public CCTV) and only hold the footage for only as long as necessary for the stated purpose.

Edit: there are more detailed rules for organisations, I assume you are quoting from the ‘home cctv’ section.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Data protection laws apply but you can’t stop them recording you.

They need a valid reason to make the recordings (e.g. crime prevention is the typical one for public CCTV) and only hold the footage for only as long as necessary for the stated purpose.

Edit: there are more detailed rules for organisations, I assume you are quoting from the ‘home cctv’ section.
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Can't I record the public (like a road next to the house, not just the road obviously, the the road comes into view when covering the garden etc) for crime prevention?
 
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'it depends' - no one can give you a straight answer without seeing the context but either way, data protection rules will appy.

Crime prevention also isn't a catch all, in the context of your home CCTV, it's reasonble for you to cover your own property for crime prevention purposes but the road isnt your property. It may be reasonble to cover some of the public area but it should really be incidential and not the main focus of the camera.

See this post as an example of how not to do it (cam 1 specifically), personally I can't see how this could ever be considered 'reasonable' and therefore probably breaches data protection rules as you have no legitmate purpose to record the information in frame. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/spec-me-a-cctv-system.18568132/post-25701779

The council or government on the otherhand are responsible for public order and law enforcement so that crime prevention justification is MUCH stronger.
 
sigma said:
Can't I record the public (like a road next to the house, not just the road obviously, the the road comes into view when covering the garden etc) for crime prevention?
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Make sure it's not pointing too much at your neighbours. Other than that, set it up how you want it. If anyone complains, worry about it then. I doubt anyone will ever complain.

I can't see the Police or authorities complaining, I think they've got bigger problems to deal with.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
'it depends' - no one can give you a straight answer without seeing the context but either way, data protection rules will appy.

Crime prevention also isn't a catch all, in the context of your home CCTV, it's reasonble for you to cover your own property for crime prevention purposes but the road isnt your property. It may be reasonble to cover some of the public area but it should really be incidential and not the main focus of the camera.

See this post as an example of how not to do it (cam 1 specifically), personally I can't see how this could ever be considered 'reasonable' and therefore probably breaches data protection rules as you have no legitmate purpose to record the information in frame. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/spec-me-a-cctv-system.18568132/post-25701779

The council or government on the otherhand are responsible for public order and law enforcement so that crime prevention justification is MUCH stronger.
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I can understand not filming someone's house or area, but public area, if the government/council can record it, and it's not against the law to record in public (like all the YTers do) then I don't understand why I can't record a road (as part of covering the house) - not trying to argue anything here, I just find it odd.
 
To put it simly, you aren't the government or the council so the reasons you have for running CCTV and the legal defences for processing personal information is differnet (e.g. its not your job to prevent crime in your local neighbourhood).

The guidance linked above is specifically for individuals/home CCTV, there is a much more comprahensive set of guidelines for organisations elsewhere on their site. I'd suggest having a look though that and you might find your answer.
 
I installed frigate last week, to sit on top of my Dahua cameras purely for the functionality to have home assistant alerts based on face recognition, number plates etc. I’m only just getting into it but it’s really good if you’re a home assistant house . Any questions just ask
 
radderfire said:
Make sure it's not pointing too much at your neighbours. Other than that, set it up how you want it. If anyone complains, worry about it then. I doubt anyone will ever complain.

I can't see the Police or authorities complaining, I think they've got bigger problems to deal with.
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It's really not worth worrying about, just about everyone with a smart door bell would be in trouble otherwise. I position mine to catch my garden as best I can anything else it catches is no concern to me. It's set to auto record so writes over itself after a number of days so nothing is kept long term.
 
Dr House said:
Its game over for the cheap Chineese junk

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That’s actually reasonable value for a full 4 camera & NVR + storage set-up, OK the cameras aren’t as god as the mid range ColorVu stuff, but the usability for a home user or say a small shop or branch office is pretty good.
 
Looking for advice on CCTV. I'm currently using Ring stick up cameras which are powered via mains in the loft. They work ok, but I hate WiFi because they're vulnerable and I don't want to rely on a subscription.

I want some PoE cameras ideally as I have just finished installing CAT6 in the house (it was a ballache even for a new build) with an 8 port PoE switch in the loft.

I want to run 4 cameras and prefer the turret style ones but ultimately I want the best quality non subscription system. Possibly pan and zoom function but definitely needs to be high quality, decent frame rate and excellent night vision.

I'll be installing myself but the choice out there is such a minefield, what would people recommend?
 
R0B75 said:
Looking for advice on CCTV. I'm currently using Ring stick up cameras which are powered via mains in the loft. They work ok, but I hate WiFi because they're vulnerable and I don't want to rely on a subscription.

I want some PoE cameras ideally as I have just finished installing CAT6 in the house (it was a ballache even for a new build) with an 8 port PoE switch in the loft.

I want to run 4 cameras and prefer the turret style ones but ultimately I want the best quality non subscription system. Possibly pan and zoom function but definitely needs to be high quality, decent frame rate and excellent night vision.

I'll be installing myself but the choice out there is such a minefield, what would people recommend?
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I'm really happy with my Reolink setup - I have two of the RLC-520 turrets, two RLC-510A bullets and the 823-S2 PTZ camera, feeding back to a Yuanley POE switch, then to the Reolink RLN36 NVR (with 2x 10Tb drives).

The 5Mp turrets are great value for the price, but if you can stretch to the latest CX820 (£115 each) or 820A (£73 each) they're higher res with newer AI detection features.

There's a small PTZ version (The E1 POE) for £85, but I haven't tried it to comment on whether it's any good. The slightly larger/pricier Trackmix is excellent, for £160.

You don't *need* an NVR immediately, as a 512Gb SD card inside each camera gives roughly 7 days of 24/7 recording, but you'll likely want more storage than a week...

If you have a decent NAS, then you can run third party software (Frigate) instead of an NVR.
 
I had Reolink WiFi cameras at my old house briefly. They were ok. Having read a fair bit of this thread I do see Reolink are recommended quite often. I'll have a look through their offerings.

One thing to note is I want the system to be as simple to use as possible, so that if I sell the house the camera system would stay in situ and be a selling point. Whilst I work in IT I could setup a NAS and run Frigate/Blue Iris etc, but I feel just a simple NVR setup would be the way to go. I was looking at something with 8 channels max and sticking a 4Tb drive in it to begin with.
 
R0B75 said:
Looking for advice on CCTV. I'm currently using Ring stick up cameras which are powered via mains in the loft. They work ok, but I hate WiFi because they're vulnerable and I don't want to rely on a subscription.

I want some PoE cameras ideally as I have just finished installing CAT6 in the house (it was a ballache even for a new build) with an 8 port PoE switch in the loft.

I want to run 4 cameras and prefer the turret style ones but ultimately I want the best quality non subscription system. Possibly pan and zoom function but definitely needs to be high quality, decent frame rate and excellent night vision.

I'll be installing myself but the choice out there is such a minefield, what would people recommend?
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Have a look at this new UniFi box.

Dr House said:
Its game over for the cheap Chineese junk

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Network Video Recorder Instant Kit - Ubiquiti Store

Compact UniFi Protect NVR Kit, includes (1) UniFi Protect NVR Instant with (4) G5 Turret Ultra cameras and (1) 1TB HDD, delivering an all-in-one solution for fast and effortless setup.
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Yes it's Reolink that gets recommended a lot here. I think Reolink offers good quality colour night vision.

Unifi would be my second choice. They are good at networking but I reckon the Reolink cameras would be better, particularly at night.

Hikvision and Dahua are other brands to consider if you don't mind Chinese tech in your house (and how they might be storing/using the footage). I think the product and picture quality is good.
 
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radderfire said:
Yes it's Reolink that gets recommended a lot here. I think Reolink offers good quality colour night vision.

Unifi would be my second choice. They are good at networking but I reckon the Reolink cameras would be better, particularly at night.

Hikvision and Dahua are other brands to consider if you don't mind Chinese tech in your house (and how they might be storing/using the footage). I think the product and picture quality is good.
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I’ll play along, Dahua and Hikvision are obviously manufactured in China, so where exactly do you think Reolink or Ubiquiti manufacture? Or your TV, phone, tablet, streaming device, PC and most of the components found in any of those devices even if they are assembled in a different country?

Hikvision ColorVu etc. offer superior night vision without question, but please let’s not make up where things came from as a justification for buying one item over another.
 
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