Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Pottsey]

I’ve passed like 100x background checks so presumably that makes what I say legit AF right?

That depends on context. By yourself perhaps no but when other people in your department start joining in and confirming the same misconduct and then people external from your company but with legit business connections to said company are also saying the same thing then yeah perhaps it is legit AF right? Then surly you should look into it and not dismiss it out of hand? Plus if your head of the department like David was, then if the head of department is reporting misconduct you take that seriously wouldn't you?

If all those people, then start offering up evidence as well do you just dismiss it out of hand?

Its kind of like a finance guy working in a finance company is going, hey there is some dodgy dealing going on here. Then his finance colleagues go hey I have seen that too. Then the head of department puts in a whistle blower complaint about the misconduct. Then they offer up the data to the investigation team who go yeah, I see what you mean those concerns are valid. Next comes Felon going on and on about we shouldn't believe them and shouldn't look into what they are saying as its just a scam to sell a book.

The context of who these people are and where they work matter. If any of this is real these are precisely the people who would be whistleblowing. The fact they are whistleblowing and offering up evidence to the investigation teams shouldn't be dismissed as a joke.

I know I am repeating myself but I dont know how else to explain it to you. Try this method. If Person A at the pub says I worked at a classified SAP and X, Y, Z happened you shouldn't just believe them, that's not credible. But when Person B says they worked at a classified SAP and it tuns out after a background check they did work at the classified SAP then they say X, Y, Z happened then you look into it more and there colleagues back them up. Then you look into it some more and more whistleblowers come forward offering evidence. Well that is more credible. Then you dont do what you are doing and just dismiss it as a joke and write it of as they are just trying to sell books.

 

[ethan]

thats really not how science works at all - we have quite a lot of evidence that the speed of light is an absolute limit, and zero evidence that something can go faster.
To say that other theories have been proven incorrect over time, so the speed of light one will also be is moronic.
Is it possible that it isn't a limit? yes
Is it likely based on the evidence? not at all

if a super massive black hole merger with the peak energy output greater than the combined output of every star in the known universe cannot exceed the speed of light, maybe it just isn't possible.

Yes it is. It's a common critique of the scientific method for undergrads doing Epistemology in the Philosophy of Science. The whole point of the critique is to illustrate that we can never hope to be certain of anything with regards to what may actually occur or be possible in the future. Scientific Laws are not proven in a mathematical sense,(as illustrated by the problem of empiricism) but are based on consistent observation and are subject to revision or replacement by more comprehensive theories. As new data emerges, a "law" can be found to have limitations or be incorrect: see falsification by Karl Popper.

 

[ethan]

NASA just held a press conference where they outlined their completion of first analysis of last year's Martian rock samples that looked curious to scientists. This analysis states that these weird rocks contain formations created by past life on Mars, with further analysis ongoing. They would not have held this press conference without having the confidence in the first round of results.

We know Mars was once like Earth and once its core stopped generating a magnetic field, the atmosphere was stripped away by the solar wind. be interesting to see one day what lies beneath the surface as it's not geologically active and has not been for millions of years, so any buried fossils etc should be well preserved.

I read about this earlier on. I'll try to find the link: https://www.livescience.com/space/m...n-mars?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=other

 

[Felon]

If Person A at the pub says I worked at a classified SAP and X, Y, Z happened you shouldn't just believe them, that's not credible. But when Person B says they worked at a classified SAP and it tuns out after a background check they did work at the classified SAP then they say X, Y, Z happened then you look into it more and there colleagues back them up.

None of this evidence, it is simply people trying to inject credibility into a story by creating a halo effect.

“Joe bloggs is a smarty man and used to work for on the starship enterprise, and therefore can’t be questioned because he is a high ranking whatever”

It doesn’t mean jack ****

None of it substantiates anything, it is not evidence, it is not proof, it is just hyperbole, with a massive dose of conflict of interest every single time.

 

[Pottsey]

None of this evidence, it is simply people trying to inject credibility into a story by creating a halo effect.

“Joe bloggs is a smarty man and used to work for on the starship enterprise, and therefore can’t be questioned because he is a high ranking whatever”

It doesn’t mean jack ****

None of it substantiates anything, it is not evidence, it is not proof, it is just hyperbole, with a massive dose of conflict of interest every single time.

We are well past the stage of this just being a few people trying to inject credibility into a story by creating a halo effect.

Testimony is a form of evidence. Matching Testimony from multiple people who have the right background is strong evidence. Plus, there has been other evidence, paper trails, departments found. A UAP department which was fully staffed and fully funded was found, crash retrieval teams found, a money trail. But you just ignore all that because it doesn’t fit your fake story of selling books.

The people giving testimony have been found to be real and actual worked at the places they say they worked. That matters. Plus, you keep ignoring that there is evidence that was handed over to the investigation teams and those investigation teams have said that evidence is credible.

If this is as you say just 1 or 2 guys making up a BS story to sell books, wouldn’t you think that investigation team would go, he is full of BS and the evidence he provided is none existent? Same for his colleagues wouldn’t they go, he has always been a little bit of a nut job, none of its real. The fact that his colleagues are backing him up and the external investigation teams are going actually the evidence has been handed over and its credible is in itself a form of evidence.

One of the key parts you don’t seem to get. When they give testimony, they are not just talking. They are handing over the evidence to back up what they are saying. Take a look at this photo. You keep calling this person BS with no evidence. That big wad of paper is government files that he submitted to backup his testimony.



They are providing evidence. Its not just people standing up and telling a made up story with no supporting evidence.

 

[Felon]

Testimony is a form of evidence. Matching Testimony from multiple people who have the right background is strong evidence.

Testimony and expert opinion is the lowest form of evidence, especially in research and technology - it's practically worthless. In law it's weighted slightly higher, but it's still the lowest form of evidence.

In medicine where 'being right' matters, they use the evidence pyramid;

One of the key parts you don’t seem to get. When they give testimony, they are not just talking. They are handing over the evidence to back up what they are saying. Take a look at this photo. You keep calling this person BS with no evidence. That big wad of paper is government files that he submitted to backup his testimony.

How do you know he's not just holding a copy of VIZ or the Beano? I assume you've read his 'big wad' ?

 

[keyser van someone]

I was going to post The Simpson's but that post is also makes a good point. Why should Superintendent Chalmers believe the Northern Lights are localised in Seymour Skinner's kitchen?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959016239549866333

and also https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/sep/11/interstellar-comet-nasa-alien-made

"Skywatchers at Nasa have discounted a Harvard astronomer’s hypothesis that a rare interstellar object hurtling through our solar system is a relic from a civilization in another celestial neighborhood, and “could potentially be dire for humanity”.

Avi Loeb, head of Harvard University’s Galileo Project, which searches for evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence, raised eyebrows by suggesting in a scientific paper in July that Comet 3I/Atlas, set for a close pass with Mars next month, could be artificially made."

Life on Mars confirmed? nope. The mission to collect samples from Mars was cancelled after cut in funds (Trump). China may do their own mission before America.

 

[wolfie138]

didn't do so good this time though did it? didn't even detonate

 

[SexyGreyFox]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959016239549866333

I'm going back to the 70s but always remember somebody saying on a UFO type program "When people say 'it's like nothing I've ever seen before' that's because nobody ever usually looks up".

Just found this thread I made from 2008, at that point I had never heard of Chinese Lanterns and as soon as the person replied I knew that's what I saw.

I had a UFO sighting tonight

What a weird sighting I had but I'm 100% positive there is an explanation. At around 9:20pm we came out of our road, turned right and immediately my wife said 'Look at those stars, how weird'. We stopped at position 1 and looked across the houses and in front of us were about 25 purpley...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

 

[visibleman]

One of the key parts you don’t seem to get. When they give testimony, they are not just talking. They are handing over the evidence to back up what they are saying.

How do you know any of this isn't just theatrics? Given the governments past of having, or maybe they still have, departments disseminating UAP/UFO disinformation, it's entirely plausible this is all just one big elaborate ruse.

 

[koolpc]

UAP, NHI are real........ Disclosure is slowly happening.

 

[NutritioN]

And here we are again debating different interpretations of real documents, evidence and testimony. It really shouldn't matter whether or not there's evidence to the common person i.e. everyone here, we'd need to see it and it better be pretty convincing. Doesn't matter who wrote it, who took the grainy photos or where the data came from, it needs to be convincing. Moon landing levels of proof.

Until there's something (convincing) and public, there's nothing. No point debating 'real evidence' if we can't see it.

Yet another analogy that fits in my eyes:

You're in the pub and a friend of a friend says they saw something really cool at the weekend, waves their phone and says 'I got a neat photo right here!'
You don't believe them, but your good friend of 20 years agrees that he saw something really cool - they've seen the photo already.​

They won't show you the photo.​

You go about the rest of your life thinking that maybe they had a neat photo but nothing came of it, it had no impact on your life and maybe they were a bit of an attention seeker. Your old friend seemed to be in on it, so they're a bit of a prat with the way they handled it but no harm done.​

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Until the photo is shared with us and we agree it's cool, we're just floating around the periphery of inconsequential conversations between other people.

 

[NutritioN]

I will add though that I do find the disclosure process interesting! Don't want to come across as overly negative, I'm still in this thread after all.

I simply have no care for someone's rank or experience when there's not something tangible to assess. Means nothing to me. The closest person in the world to me could say they saw or found something that would change my outlook on life as we know it and I'd treat them the same. Although I might tell them I believe them to avoid conversations about trust...

 

[Pottsey]

“How do you know he's not just holding a copy of VIZ or the Beano? I assume you've read his 'big wad' ? “

Multiple Congress people on the panel talked about reading that document before the meeting started. They were also talk about how the files had been shared with the DIA, Senate Intelligence Committee and a few others. With confirmation they are real.
It was also said high ranking intelligence officers also confirmed they are real.

But somehow you want me to believe all these people are covering up for the usual suspects selling UFO books and that’s not even going into the IC IG and SKIFs that specialise in going over classified data who independently confirmed the other evidence is valid and with merit.
You want me to believe they are all holding up VIZ / Beano style fake documents to sell UFO books. Which makes absolutely no sense. Don’t you think if the documents are fake VIZ/ Beano style wads of paper after deep analyse one of those departments or panel members might have said so?

Your entire concept of this is just a handful of usual suspect trying to sell UFO books for cash is a load of nonsense at this point. That idea fall part over a year ago.

“Testimony and expert opinion is the lowest form of evidence, especially in research and technology - it's practically worthless.”

That’s a strawman argument, we are not talking about research and technology where testimony is low value.

Testimony is still evidence and you missed that there are differing levels of evidence value when it comes to testimony. The highest value testimony is when multiple independent testimony matches with supporting evidence strengthening each other. That is what we have here. Corroborated testimony is not worthless its actually crucial and high value and this is corroborated testimony.

 

[Pottsey]

How do you know any of this isn't just theatrics? Given the governments past of having, or maybe they still have, departments disseminating UAP/UFO disinformation, it's entirely plausible this is all just one big elaborate ruse.

Some of it likely is. Its been proven the governments use UAPs in disinformation campaigns. My belief is the illegally run SAP projects without Congress oversight are real and funding is being diverted into these skunkworks style R&D projects. UAPs like the black triangles are experimental craft from these projects. I think the whistle-blowers talking about working on these projects are real and there talk about threats and retaliation trying to expose these projects are likely real as well. The alien side of it is likely disinformation to deflect away from the very real but illegal projects.

To do what Felon is doing and dismiss it all as a joke is what they want to happen so they can keep the cash flow and illegal projects going.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I really have no idea why people have a problem with Governments and covert technology, it's gone on forever.
Again Pottsey is not discussing Aliens.

 

[Felon]

Your entire concept of this is just a handful of usual suspect trying to sell UFO books for cash is a load of nonsense at this point.

Really?

After the same bunch of people tried to sell us this as evidence?

I really do think it’s a load of nonsense, and I really do think they’re taking the ****.

 

[RxR]

I still hold that the biggest giveaway is the money trail - a genuine NHI artefact would be worth billions of tourism $ - an economic force so large no public service could keep it a secret. And the reason there's nothing to see of that kind of tech is that there is nothing to see.

 

[Pottsey]

Really?

After the same bunch of people tried to sell us this as evidence?

I really do think it’s a load of nonsense, and I really do think they’re taking the ****.

Yes really because its not the same bunch of people that tried to sell that evidence! Your entire concept of what is happening is flawed as you are conflating events. How has any of that video got anything to do with the same people I am talking about? The answer is they do not, as its not the same people.

That’s why your concept of its just the usual suspects makes no sense and is a load of nonsense. Its not just the usual suspects. We are well past the point where its just the usual suspects.

It comes across as the problem is you built up a false narrative about what is happening and your so fast to dismiss everything as a nonsense you cannot see that there is a real serious matter behind this.

 

[keyser van someone]

I really have no idea why people have a problem with Governments and covert technology, it's gone on forever.
Again Pottsey is not discussing Aliens.

Sure, but the information from this recent video I'm being told about missile / UFO is, "look at this evidence of advanced tech!!" and also "video source: unknown, Date/time: unknown. Location: unknown" and the video shows a bag type object get hit but and cause a missile to veer off course a bit plus crazy parallax moving background.

The video looks really impressive until you ask a simple question: 'Are you sure?'. They of course say yes they are sure, but I'm not sure Being unsure about something is a sign of strength. If you can't verify something and we're asked 'trust me bro' my default response is no

Show me 1000 videos of a missile hitting a balloon with payload and we can get some data points. Until then that video to me looks a 45kg missile hitting a balloon and veering off course a bit. If they asked me first they could save Congress some times etc.