Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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Hades said:
I'll submit if they already know all that (and I agree they do) then why is this new ID needed?
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Maybe so that the information provided by the ID can be displayed without having to dig into all the other PI data? (Speculating here, because I don't know). Is the new ID needed? I don't know. Is it something to resist? I haven't seen a reason for that. Would it be good for my wife not to have to generate a new document every time she needs to prove right to work or residence? Yup.
Already the removal/expiry of the BRP has caused unnecessary admin headaches for us as it really wasn't communicated well, and employers were questioning her right to be employed because the expiry date of the BRP did not coincide with the expiry date of her visa.
 
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Sinbad2000 said:
Maybe so that the information provided by the ID can be displayed without having to dig into all the other PI data? (Speculating here, because I don't know). Is the new ID needed? I don't know. Is it something to resist? I haven't seen a reason for that.
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There isn't any need to dig into all the other PI data. The reason given for it being introduced is to ensure a persons right to work. The NI number already does that. They just need to look at the NI number. Please can you explain why the NI number can't be used for that?
 
Hades said:
There isn't any need to dig into all the other PI data. The reason given for it being introduced is to ensure a persons right to work. The NI number already does that. They just need to look at the NI number. Please can you explain why the NI number can't be used for that?
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Because the NI number is not linked to any form of photographic ID. There's no way of verifying whether the individual in front of you is matched to the NI number.
The NI number also does not indicate any conditions of work, end dates, whether the person has recourse to public funds, which this will.
 
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Hades said:
There isn't any need to dig into all the other PI data. The reason given for it being introduced is to ensure a persons right to work. The NI number already does that. They just need to look at the NI number. Please can you explain why the NI number can't be used for that?
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Exactly, just modernise NI card, like they did with the driving license ~15 years ago.
 
Sinbad2000 said:
I'd submit it's easy already. The government already knows who you are, where you live, what your citizenship status is, what car you drive, how old you are, how much you earn, what your credit record is, what you look like... How is this worse?
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It's worse because it has the potential to restrict many aspects of daily life on the basis of your digital ID and all the data that will in time be added to it - currently just needed to work, but then there has been no assertion it won't be used for anything else. If there are safeguards to restrict what data is added to it, then you go someway of alleviating anxiety somewhat.

There must be some information you wouldn't want being on it, and how would you prevent it being added?
 
Sinbad2000 said:
Because the NI number is not linked to any form of photographic ID. There's no way of verifying whether the individual in front of you is matched to the NI number.
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OK, then continue with the current system that I've always had to undertake when joining a company:

1. Provide my NI number.
2. Provide a form of photo Id such as a passport.

Why can't we continue with that system? How will a single ID improve things, given that the NI system and passport system (etc) will still continue to be used elsewhere.
 
Fubsy said:
It's worse because it has the potential to restrict many aspects of daily life on the basis of your digital ID and all the data that will in time be added to it - currently just needed to work, but then there has been no assertion it won't be used for anything else. If there are safeguards to restrict what data is added to it, then you go someway of alleviating anxiety somewhat.

There must be some information you wouldn't want being on it, and how would you prevent it being added?
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That potential already exists though.
What if suddenly government decided you needed your passport to get on a train? Absurd, but how much more absurd than what you're asserting?
 
Hades said:
OK, then continue with the current system that I've always had to undertake when joining a company:

1. Provide my NI number.
2. Provide a form of photo Id such as a passport.

Why can't we continue with that system? How will a single ID improve things, given that the NI system and passport system (etc) will still continue to be used elsewhere.
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A single ID won't improve things - I can't see how this makes any difference to the current "Shadow Economy" that Starmer has harped on about.

The "Shadow Economy" exists because there are employers that don't check right to work, pay cash in hand, and operate outside of the law - bringing in Digital ID cards isn't going to change any of that
 
UTmaniac said:
In some ways, it feels like this gem of an "idea" has been let loose, to distract the masses from some potentially very negative Labour news.
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Well judging by the petition that is currently skyrocketing in signatures, this is negative Labour news...

Labour will never win another election again.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
 
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Armageus said:
A single ID won't improve things - I can't see how this makes any difference to the current "Shadow Economy" that Starmer has harped on about.

The "Shadow Economy" exists because there are employers that don't check right to work, pay cash in hand, and operate outside of the law - bringing in Digital ID cards isn't going to change any of that
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Absolutely agree. This won't help the stated aim at all. It's being used as the reason to bring it in but it won't help. It simply risks future abuse by this or other governments in future.

The government either knows it wont help (so why bring it in? what's the real reason) or the government is incompetent.

"Papers please"
 
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Fubsy said:
I'm being as facetious as you are. We all know that observing obvious correalations is something that can be used to support biases.
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Lets face it, all you're doing is presenting the slippery slope argument and you dont like being called on it.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Well judging by the petition that is currently skyrocketing in signatures, this is negative Labour news...

Labour will never win another election again.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
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lol
Give your name, address and email address in order to protest against having something showing less info than that :D
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Well judging by the petition that is currently skyrocketing in signatures, this is negative Labour news...

Labour will never win another election again.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
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It's going to blast past a million today. I was happy to give Labour a chance this time, after the disaster of the Tories. But never again.
 
Hades said:
Absolutely agree. This won't help the stated aim at all. It's being used as the reason to bring it in but it won't help. It simply risks future abuse by this or other governments in future.

The government either knows it wont help (so why bring it in? what's the real reason) or the government is incompetent.

"Papers please"
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"papers please" is already 100% possible today.
 
Sinbad2000 said:
Hmm so a modern NI card, with all the relevant info on it...

Could you call that ... a digital ID?
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You could just call it a National Insurance card, rather than the proposed cringeworthy "BritCard."

The driving license didn't change its name when modernised.
 
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