Junior Doctors Strikes

Minstadave said:
It's been on it's last legs for over a decade, that's been used as an excuse to cut real terms pay that entire time, at some point the solution can't be that the staff subsidise it endlessly.

The NHS doesn't have to be on it's last leg, the Government decide it's funding and the UK population don't seem to mind 3 day A&E waits, beds in the corridors on wards, "GP" appointments with any random half baked practitioner etc.
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I am an avid supporter of a large funding boost, I am even advocating removing the fixed budget altogether with unlimited spending for the NHS.
Sadly though we have governments intent on keeping spending down, which ends up making large salary increases taking up a larger % of the NHS budget.
Even today an article about Reeves claiming working people have been taking too much of a burden in recent years in an era of record breaking NI tax cuts, and PA increases. They just wont tax appropriately to properly fund it and other services.
 
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RxR said:
Well, our state governments etc are also in the business of trying to poach UK doctors (and probably nurses) - we've got a shortage of both.
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I've been poached to Canada lol. Been offered a 20h average work week with all expenses paid...and that's all on top of the basic pay!
 
ci_newman said:
Unless I'm mistaken, they've already had 30% rise in 3 years (that was reported on the BBC yesterday)? There is some way to go before their spending power returns to pre 00s levels, but striking again after already getting a 30% payrise?

Public support for this is going to be almost nil, especially in the middle of winter flu season.

[Edit] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyk5zr7p71o

Yep, they've already received a 30% payrise in 3 years.
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From your own link - and still 20% lower than 2008 when inflation is taken into account. Why should they settle for having taken an effective pay cut? Nobody should lose out because prices have increased. Fully support them striking.

I've had inflation busting pay rises for the last 10+ years linked to RPI thanks to my union, that's what everyone should be aspiring for, instead of a race to the bottom.
 
My sympathy is lower than usual as well, as I am currently in a fight with my GP surgery, today they have just cancelled the 3rd appointment in a row, this time on the day for maximum impact, 3 weeks wait for the next one, I have been waiting since June for a referral. Starting to think its deliberate as its the GP themselves cancelling, holidays, off sick going home early. Apparently no GPs work at the surgery after 3pm either, which is just odd.
 
chrcoluk said:
My sympathy is lower than usual as well, as I am currently in a fight with my GP surgery, today they have just cancelled the 3rd appointment in a row, this time on the day for maximum impact, 3 weeks wait for the next one, I have been waiting since June for a referral. Starting to think its deliberate as its the GP themselves cancelling, holidays, off sick going home early. Apparently no GPs work at the surgery after 3pm either, which is just odd.
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Well i was up at 0630 today eagerly looking forward to an appointment with the practise sister about my health review. Arriving twenty minutes early by cycle, I booked in on the screen for that purpose. About five minutes after my appointment start time I was informed that the sister w as not coming in and had not informed the surgery before that time. No further explanation was available so I got back on the bike...
 
chrcoluk said:
My sympathy is lower than usual as well, as I am currently in a fight with my GP surgery, today they have just cancelled the 3rd appointment in a row, this time on the day for maximum impact, 3 weeks wait for the next one, I have been waiting since June for a referral. Starting to think its deliberate as its the GP themselves cancelling, holidays, off sick going home early. Apparently no GPs work at the surgery after 3pm either, which is just odd.
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Time to change surgery's. I had a similar problem with a GP surgery.
I move to a different one and they have been great.
 
Darkpilgrim said:
Time to change surgery's. I had a similar problem with a GP surgery.
I move to a different one and they have been great.
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Probably going to have to, got multiple things pending though and I suspect it will have to go back to step 1. I might just go back to using private GP's instead, they so much better, with no messing around.
 
Darkpilgrim said:
Time to change surgery's. I had a similar problem with a GP surgery.
I move to a different one and they have been great.
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I wish it was that easy where I live.

Our town has been down several GP's compared to what is recommended for something like 30 years. The practices have consolidated, and the one I'm in has now changed hands something like 3 times i 10 years (from what I can tell it was being run at least partly by the regional health trust for several months).
I think it's just been taken over by one of the "multi practice" companies, so I expect things to get worse but there is basically no other option as last time I checked the other practices in the town were basically only taking patients from specific areas (the ones nearest them).
 
Werewolf said:
I wish it was that easy where I live.

Our town has been down several GP's compared to what is recommended for something like 30 years. The practices have consolidated, and the one I'm in has now changed hands something like 3 times i 10 years (from what I can tell it was being run at least partly by the regional health trust for several months).
I think it's just been taken over by one of the "multi practice" companies, so I expect things to get worse but there is basically no other option as last time I checked the other practices in the town were basically only taking patients from specific areas (the ones nearest them).
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I think I already have multiple practices under shared ownership near me, sometimes if I ring mine a different practice answers, and they also keep trying to pool appointments across practices.
 
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Werewolf said:
I wish it was that easy where I live.

Our town has been down several GP's compared to what is recommended for something like 30 years. The practices have consolidated, and the one I'm in has now changed hands something like 3 times i 10 years (from what I can tell it was being run at least partly by the regional health trust for several months).
I think it's just been taken over by one of the "multi practice" companies, so I expect things to get worse but there is basically no other option as last time I checked the other practices in the town were basically only taking patients from specific areas (the ones nearest them).
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Ours is like that, it works pretty well if you need help same day for minor stuff. Usually you see a nurse and get your meds/prescription from them. However for longer term stuff or actually seeing a doctor, very different story - basically impossible.
 
Darkpilgrim said:
Time to change surgery's. I had a similar problem with a GP surgery.
I move to a different one and they have been great.
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Wow, you make that sound so easy. I'd love to change surgery as mine is bloody useless, but it's the only one I can attend because the others around here refuse to take me on as I'm not in their catchment area.
 
Malevolence said:
Wow, you make that sound so easy. I'd love to change surgery as mine is bloody useless, but it's the only one I can attend because the others around here refuse to take me on as I'm not in their catchment area.
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This often happens with "challenging" surgeries, patients want to move out but the surrounding practices end up swamped and close their lists.
 
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