Bioware Closing Down

[Noxia]

I've seen folks on twitter echo similar thought, and also say well bioware has always had gay characters, yes true but the 2 are entirely different.

Old Bioware: here's character A, who happens to be gay. Focused on story 1st.

New Bioware: here's Gay character A, they are Gay, yes you heard us, they're Gay, yup Gay aren't we amazing. GAAAAAAAAAY. Focused on character sexuality 1st with story a distant 2nd.

Old Bioware: play our game, its good!
New Bioware: we don't like your political and social views so don't play our game, in fact you deserve to die for said politcal and social views.

So yeah, it's not really that surprising the 'chuds' are taking victory laps and dunking on these clowns that have infested video games. As i said before I've no issue with studio's whose employees tell 80% of their potential player base to not buy their product go down the *******.

Maybe one day they'll start concentrating on just making games instead of activism with a slice of gaming. If people disagree with that general sentiment, well then they are probably one of the handful that thought DA:V was a good game

Oh I don’t disagree, I’d like to think (though doubt in some cases) that people aren’t generally bothered with what is in the game, it’s how it’s implemented. Though I also have to remember that grown adults got upset that body type was renamed A/B, that kind of stuff is at the you need to get a grip level imo.

I’m all for diverse whatever in media, but don’t treat diversity as a feature, make it organic with the storytelling and world. A character being whatever shouldn’t (IMO) be a defining thing, plenty of other media manages it. Don’t make it a box ticking exercise either. Look at things like Cyberpunk, everything is fluid in that game but they didn’t make it a focal point outside of one questline where it was ultimately not that big of a deal.

It’s the same annoyance I get when conditions are spoken about like that’s all a person is, no you’re not ‘ADHD’, you’re a person who has it, don’t make a condition your defining personality trait and inject it into everything.

I’m not going to celebrate people losing their livelihood in cases like this, heck if it was a uk studio and they end up unemployed, I guess everyone is happy to be paying taxes to keep those people on their feet with benefits.

Hopefully the good that will come out of the new studios that open with the (genuine) talent will pay dividends in future.

 

[spudbynight]

I think a large part of this is really down to an obsession with sex. BG2 is one of the greatest RPG games ever made. I've put probably a thousand hours into it. I'm actually going to have another run soon.

The game has "romance" options. I have no idea who they are apart from one. My entire party could be gay and I wouldn't notice it. I played the game because the story was amazing and it felt like I could escape from the real world into the Forgotten Realms. To "romance" companions you really have to go looking for it and put effort in to even start anything.

Normal people don't introduce themselves with "these are my sexual preferences and my entire personality is focused on this". The only people who do this are degenerate weirdos. Not because they are sexually attracted to anything but because they think this is a substitute for a personality and it is an appropriate topic for conversation. I have gay friends who are as sick of this self obsessed narcissism as anyone else.

Edit : Just something of a comparison below.

BG1 - 25 companions - 0 romance options (1998)
BG2 - 16 companions - 4 romance options (2000)

The EE editions added romance options.

BGEE - 29 companions - 3 romance options (2012)
BG2EE - 21 companions - 8 romance options (2013)
Dragonspear - 17 companions - 8 romance options (2016)

BG3 - You can "romance" EVERYONE plus NPCs (2023)

 

[mid_gen]

I think a large part of this is really down to an obsession with sex. BG2 is one of the greatest RPG games ever made. I've put probably a thousand hours into it. I'm actually going to have another run soon.

The game has "romance" options. I have no idea who they are apart from one. My entire party could be gay and I wouldn't notice it. I played the game because the story was amazing and it felt like I could escape from the real world into the Forgotten Realms. To "romance" companions you really have to go looking for it and put effort in to even start anything.

Normal people don't introduce themselves with "these are my sexual preferences and my entire personality is focused on this". The only people who do this are degenerate weirdos. Not because they are sexually attracted to anything but because they think this is a substitute for a personality and it is an appropriate topic for conversation. I have gay friends who are as sick of this self obsessed narcissism as anyone else.

Serious question here….there’s obviously this subsection of gamers who get very angry about sex and gender featuring in games. I know a big part of it is just a ragebait content creator industry profiting from making people angry, gotta have an Us Vs Them, but I have to ask what it is about this topic that gets people so worked up?

We’re happy for games to feature all kinds of topics, war, violence, greed, betrayal, corporations, religion, politics, comedy, music, all kinds of societal commentary. But god forbid anything touches on gender and the pitchforks come out and it’s all wailing about things being rammed down throats. All a bit Freudian if you ask me.

DA Veilguard was a classic corporate car crash, it’s a miracle they got anything shippable given it pivoted from MMO to single player halfway through development. Sure maybe the lead writer was just a bit crap but given the **** sandwich they were dealt it was never going to be a masterpiece.

 

[C Kent]

DA Veilguard was a classic corporate car crash, it’s a miracle they got anything shippable given it pivoted from MMO to single player halfway through development. Sure maybe the lead writer was just a bit crap but given the **** sandwich they were dealt it was never going to be a masterpiece.

It was never a mmo, it just had the live service elements stripped out 3 years before its release.

 

[spudbynight]

Serious question here….there’s obviously this subsection of gamers who get very angry about sex and gender featuring in games. I know a big part of it is just a ragebait content creator industry profiting from making people angry, gotta have an Us Vs Them, but I have to ask what it is about this topic that gets people so worked up?

We’re happy for games to feature all kinds of topics, war, violence, greed, betrayal, corporations, religion, politics, comedy, music, all kinds of societal commentary. But god forbid anything touches on gender and the pitchforks come out and it’s all wailing about things being rammed down throats. All a bit Freudian if you ask me.

DA Veilguard was a classic corporate car crash, it’s a miracle they got anything shippable given it pivoted from MMO to single player halfway through development. Sure maybe the lead writer was just a bit crap but given the **** sandwich they were dealt it was never going to be a masterpiece.

It isn't about it featuring in games. It *is* about it being rammed down the throats of people in games. It has become obsessive.

I gave the example above of BG2 where I had to look up who the romance options were.

We have gone from that to lecturing.

 

[mid_gen]

It was never a mmo, it just had the live service elements stripped out 3 years before its release.

I don't think you realise quite how disruptive a change like that is.

 

[mid_gen]

It isn't about it featuring in games. It *is* about it being rammed down the throats of people in games. It has become obsessive.

I gave the example above of BG2 where I had to look up who the romance options were.

We have gone from that to lecturing.

Have you considered that if you view any mentioning of gender/sex/etc as a lecture, that the problem might be you, rather than the game? I play a lot of games, some of them touch on these subjects, but it doesn't really register with me as something to have strong feelings about.

Like the top scars in the Veilguard character creator that people got so upset about. I mean so what? Don't wanna use that option? it takes a fraction of a second to skip to the next one. Why choose to get your blood pressure rising and get all upset about a trivial feature that you could just ignore, which may bring some small joy to some other people who have a different life experience to you?

A lot of people enjoy the romance options in role playing games. I don't personally, couldn't care less, but I don't get upset about those options being there for the people who do. Sex and romance is such an intrinsic part of the human condition it would be frankly a bit odd for a deep role playing game to not feature it.

 

[C Kent]

I don't think you realise quite how disruptive a change like that is.

Yeah, repeatable missions, an in-game store, loot boxes.. those poor devs only having another 3 years to actually concentrate on rpg elements in their 'rpg' game. Which they failed at miserably.

 

[Darujhistan]

It's actually a good game with a decent story. People just got hung up on the trans character in their fantasy game.

LMAO, there's more people playing Dragon Age Inquisition from 2020 (and let's not forget that's just an edition from 2020, the original game is 12 years old)...

 

[Richie]

Have you considered that if you view any mentioning of gender/sex/etc as a lecture, that the problem might be you, rather than the game?

This video was posted earlier:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851665635513950434

I am there to play a game, not have someone push their gender ideology on me about misgendering someone or how great it was that they have trans people in their "crew". Have transgender people in the game, sure, but to create a scripted scene and drama specifically about misgendering someone in the form of some kind of morality check for the game player? **** off.

EDIT: As an example - Mass Effect had some obviously gay characters in it. At no point did I feel they made this of any importance in any of the game. Some were straight, some were gay and that was it - no one got all "butthurt" in the game and has to self flagellate for some perceived error and then explain it all to the rest of the characters as repentance.

 

[wunkley]

Though I also have to remember that grown adults got upset that body type was renamed A/B, that kind of stuff is at the you need to get a grip level imo.

You're doing hatchling strawmanny type counters here dude. The whole 'Body Type A/ B' thing really was shocking to many people and rightly so, as it's subverting natural reality. Some may think this specific example is a minor thing, and if it was just that one thing in isolation I'd be inclined to agree.

BUT, it wasn't/ isn't just that one thing is it. This example is one of MANY and is part of the wider subversive Bolshevik playbook that these developer activists openly admit to. It's not just gaming though obviously - it's been playing out in all corners of Western media and entertainment for the last 15 years. Way longer really, but it's been turned up to 11 more recently.

These activists larping as game devs literally want to destroy all that was good and rebuild everything in their own spiteful image. It's simply the commie 101 playbook with a good side helping of narcissism and basic mental illness. To pretend things like this have no bearing and say 'oh just go for a walk' is pretty disingenuous. And this is a PC gaming forum, so it is actually all relevant, as it's ruining my, your, and everybody else in here's hobby.

The straw will break the camel's back though at some point, and that point is round about now I reckon. The vast majority of people are just ******* tired of it all now. Activists and the unhinged shouldn't try and make video games anymore. Go and open a mung bean speciality café in London or something like the good old days. It's going to bounce back soon - Natural law and all that.

 

[Bigpig]

I've had multiple girl on girl action in bioware games.

I draw the line at everything getting hit with the ugly stick

 

[adidan]

@wunkley , lol.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Just seen the news that Bioware is closing down.... The studio that created some epic RPG style games (Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Knight of the Old Republic)

Can't say I am surprised given its most recent takeover by some Saudi private investment fund that then laden it with $20bn in debt.


Sad news. I loved their games.

How and why do the laws allow this type of asset stripping? It’s tantamount to theft

 

[Kelt]

How and why do the laws allow this type of asset stripping? It’s tantamount to theft

Isn't this what happened to Man Utd?

Bought by the Glaziers with money borrowed on the value of the club, which is then saddled with said debt?

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Isn't this what happened to Man Utd?

Bought by the Glaziers with money borrowed on the value of the club, which is then saddled with said debt?

Not just Man Utd.
MANY businesses, everything from our utilities companies to BHS.

 

[Noxia]

You're doing hatchling strawmanny type counters here dude. The whole 'Body Type A/ B' thing really was shocking to many people and rightly so, as it's subverting natural reality. Some may think this specific example is a minor thing, and if it was just that one thing in isolation I'd be inclined to agree.

BUT, it wasn't/ isn't just that one thing is it. This example is one of MANY and is part of the wider subversive Bolshevik playbook that these developer activists openly admit to. It's not just gaming though obviously - it's been playing out in all corners of Western media and entertainment for the last 15 years. Way longer really, but it's been turned up to 11 more recently.

These activists larping as game devs literally want to destroy all that was good and rebuild everything in their own spiteful image. It's simply the commie 101 playbook with a good side helping of narcissism and basic mental illness. To pretend things like this have no bearing and say 'oh just go for a walk' is pretty disingenuous. And this is a PC gaming forum, so it is actually all relevant, as it's ruining my, your, and everybody else in here's hobby.

The straw will break the camel's back though at some point, and that point is round about now I reckon. The vast majority of people are just ******* tired of it all now. It's time to just pat them on the head and let them run along. They shouldn't try and make video games anymore, just go and open a mung bean speciality café in London or something like the good old days. It's going to bounce back soon. Natural law and all that.

We have the power to vote with our wallets though which is a powerful tool! Ie, not buying games where SWI were/are involved but then complaining about them and their influence. It’s like funding a political party you don’t like and then moaning they they’re doing the things they’ve always done.

 

[l0z]

Have you considered that if you view any mentioning of gender/sex/etc as a lecture, that the problem might be you, rather than the game? I play a lot of games, some of them touch on these subjects, but it doesn't really register with me as something to have strong feelings about.

Like the top scars in the Veilguard character creator that people got so upset about. I mean so what? Don't wanna use that option? it takes a fraction of a second to skip to the next one. Why choose to get your blood pressure rising and get all upset about a trivial feature that you could just ignore, which may bring some small joy to some other people who have a different life experience to you?

A lot of people enjoy the romance options in role playing games. I don't personally, couldn't care less, but I don't get upset about those options being there for the people who do. Sex and romance is such an intrinsic part of the human condition it would be frankly a bit odd for a deep role playing game to not feature it.

"Like the top scars in the Veilguard character creator that people got so upset about. I mean so what? Don't wanna use that option? it takes a fraction of a second to skip to the next one. Why choose to get your blood pressure rising and get all upset about a trivial feature that you could just ignore, which may bring some small joy to some other people who have a different life experience to you?"

Encouraging young girls to cut off their breasts is evil, actually. Because of this, anything that furthers the proliferation of the transgender memeplex is, likewise, evil. So no, ignoring it isn't an option.

 

[Jokester]

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Bioware really died years ago.

 

[wunkley]

We have the power to vote with our wallets though which is a powerful tool! Ie, not buying games where SWI were/are involved but then complaining about them and their influence. It’s like funding a political party you don’t like and then moaning they they’re doing the things they’ve always done.

Fair points bud, and I personally do not give money to things I dislike and then moan about it. I know many people do, and that is as illogical as it is annoying.

But, it's not reeeeally about money is it. When you live in a fiat currency, debt based society, as we all somehow do but were never asked - money isn't actually 'real' anymore anyway. Some argue 'money' never was or ever can be real anyway, but that's a discussion for another time.

The simple point is - there is clearly a 'promote ideology above all else' agenda going on. 'Money'/ the construct of money is not important to whatever runs this place. Destroying what was once good is clearly more important.

TLDR: Things are being made bad on purpose, and it's not organically being made worse. It is balls deep planned being made worse.