ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Rofflay said:
[snip] These clueless people have obviously been put through the usual communist white guilt University courses where you sign up for English or French and find yourself doing 70% of the topic and the rest being brainwashed.
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What the hell are you on about? :confused:
 
Curio said:
Now German police saying there was a device that was supposed to be taken into the stadium to go off. Maybe the ambulance story is wrong. Or, god forbid, device goes off in stadium, ambulance allowed in for victims, Ambulance blows up. That would be a whole new level of evil :(
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Unfortunately that's been happening for a while now. A bomb goes off, rescuers arrive then a second/third bomb goes off targeting them. In all that bloodshed and devestation, it's remarkable that even knowing these tactics people - emergency services and other survivors alike - still rush to help the wounded and trapped. Braver men than I.

Rofflay said:
People like Emma Watson and Cumberbatch make me sick... refugees welcome you mean illegal aliens who pass through safe Islamic countrys to pick up the biggest cheque you idiots. These clueless people have obviously been put through the usual communist white guilt University courses where you sign up for English or French and find yourself doing 70% of the topic and the rest being brainwashed.

I had a google on it a few days ago, It is very sinister and disturbing and goes to show very effective. They cannot even think sit them down with a history book, A quran and concrete proof and they would just sit there shaking thier head.

NO NO DOES NOT COMPUTE, ERROR *shutdown* blerg someone get me a vomit bag quick.
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Well, the thing is that plenty of people have sat down with history books and the Quran and then converted to Islam.
 
Werewolf said:
That bit applies very very heavily to British expats all over the world and has done for centuries.
It also applies to pretty much every nationality and religion when it comes to them moving into new countries - there are Brits living in the likes of France and Spain who have been there decades but probably couldn't ask for an ambulance or the way to the toilet (remember the old jokes about how Brits ask for directions etc in other countries by speaking louder and slower)

It is most definitely not a Muslim only thing.
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Very True. However no British only political party attempting enter into French politics. The point here is that there's no desire to change the State or Law. I think that's the point that most people see as gradual naturalisation over time/generations rather than attempt to change the native without naturalisation.

The immigrant situation is the same for all immigrants, being at the low end of the scale finding it difficult to learn and adapt (as first generation) results in friction. State often believe that people must prove their desire to naturalise in learning the language etc, providing tokens for after-school lessons to potential natives in learning the language and helping with reading/writing and maths. Personally I think this should be free for anyone that seeks it - including natives.
 
Dunks said:
What the hell are you on about? :confused:
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...rkshops-on-how-not-to-be-racist-10310308.html

Students at Oxford University will attend workshops on ‘how not to be racist’.

The workshops will be targeted at incoming first year students as part of their freshers week timetable in a bid to eliminate racism within the university.
The workshops will take place this October in the first week of the 2015-16 academic year.

Mr Shi says the campaign hopes to make attendance at the sessions compulsory for staff as well as students: “We think that if these workshops are to be effective they need to be compulsory in colleges as well as for welfare and support staff.”
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Common in America too. And i thought University was about getting an education on a certain specialist topic.
 
Werewolf said:
That bit applies very very heavily to British expats all over the world and has done for centuries.
It also applies to pretty much every nationality and religion when it comes to them moving into new countries - there are Brits living in the likes of France and Spain who have been there decades but probably couldn't ask for an ambulance or the way to the toilet (remember the old jokes about how Brits ask for directions etc in other countries by speaking louder and slower)

It is most definitely not a Muslim only thing.
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Are the brits moving there to claim benefits and build mosques? Are they pushing 20-30%:of the population of towns and cities and growing? Are they part of another culture that we are in conflict with?

Or are they retirees spending and investing money into the local economy?

It's nothing like the same and i don't even know why you mentioned it in the same breath tbh.
 
NickK said:
Very True. However no British only political party attempting enter into French politics. The point here is that there's no desire to change the State or Law. I think that's the point that most people see as gradual naturalisation over time/generations rather than attempt to change the native without naturalisation.

The immigrant situation is the same for all immigrants, being at the low end of the scale finding it difficult to learn and adapt (as first generation) results in friction. State often believe that people must prove their desire to naturalise in learning the language etc, providing tokens for after-school lessons to potential natives in learning the language and helping with reading/writing and maths. Personally I think this should be free for anyone that seeks it - including natives.
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Actually - you can't say that running for a RELIGIOUS party in changing state based on religion is not segregation. Ireland is a good example.

The question is that change preventing naturalisation.

Question then is - should a migrant with a religious belief be forced to naturalise regardless of religion?

The french state does not acknowledge religion. Hence laws about naturalisation will disregard any religious demands. An example is a wedding - you have a state part and then whatever you chose todo after is up to you but just having a religious wedding is not being wedded in the state's eyes. I've seen many french weddings - including obviously islamic after, so it's down to how people react.

This makes france a perfect target for ISIS where the fact that the state does not acknowledge religion (rather than have state religion, although the majority is roman catholic) makes it more difficult for immigrants whose life revolves around it.

Personally I think religion has no place in state. That way it is both fair to all.
 
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dowie said:
they'd say the same about other muslims too...
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Yeah but they make up less then 10 % of Muslims and represent a fringe. There views are not accepted by the main stream.

It's like that crazy church in America whose opinions aren't accepted by most Christians as Christianity.
 
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Spoke to my other half tonight about all this.

She is a Christian and am a nobody, we both agreed that religion not matter what faith should be outlawed.

Its causing so much trouble and anguish, its not worth it.

We all just people and without religion, I think we would be a better race together.

All in the same pond, metaphorically speaking. ;)

We have 2 Gods the sun and moon or day and night.
That's it, nothing more and nothing less so can we all just get on PLEASE :D

The man made construct that is religion is causing so much trouble, only a man could have made it. Go figure? :rolleyes:

Imagine a world with no gods? That is heaven. ;)
 
ak22 said:
Im sure they would that's why they are butchering Muslims on a daily basis, good thing we have book called the Quran to show whos correct.
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except it doesn't show whose correct - they can use all the nasty parts of that book to justify their actions just as you can make claims about how they should be disregarded because of x or some scholar claims y etc...
 
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