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https://www.rt.com/uk/353891-bbc-media-bias-corbyn/

Echoes what I have been saying for a long time. Still think the BBC is neutral and still has no agenda?

Miles ahead of RT, yes. Heck even Owen's better than RT! Speaking of...



But, yes, as per LSE's research Corbyn has lost the media and is portrayed more negatively. It's a two-way street: if Ed had a better run, you know you've got issues. It'll get worse after this leadership run is done and dusted, with Jezza clear favourite to take it again. Can Momentum be organised on the ground and social media to counter this as a true social movement? I'd take a rain check on that one. They're still trying to decide whether they're socialists or social democrats or what, and are of a very different profile to the voters they want to target.

Will be happy to be proven wrong in 2020; but I doubt I will be.
 
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No its noted for a while. Just this time the research has been carried out by a media arm/affiliation.

When Corbyn walks away winning the leadership contest that's when round two will start. Anyone who thinks he is unpopular needs to just do two minutes of research.
 

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No its noted for a while. Just this time the research has been carried out by a media arm/affiliation.

When Corbyn walks away winning the leadership contest that's when round two will start. Anyone who thinks he is unpopular needs to just do two minutes of research.

Is there a media conspiracy or is it because Corbyn and his supporters are just awful handling the media?

I'm also surprised that you support Trump/Farage and Corbyn. As politicians go they are very opposite in the views they hold.
 
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Well its now proven beyond doubt that the media (particularly the Beeb) have been peddling something that goes contra to their charter.

I don't support Trump. The only support I give him is that I believe he is the lesser of two evils - but would abstain if there was no suitable third party.

As for Farage well he was ridiculed his entire career and is a principled man. I'm also a Galloway fan. Corbyn is the opposite of trump and I don't think you can get much further away as far as contrasts go between Farage and Galloway.

I think the turning point for me with Galloway was the Senate address/appearance he made. Up until then I believed much of the stuff being pushed about him.

Still its more that I support a person with principle rather than the person themselves and Hillary/Trump have zero.
 
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When Corbyn walks away winning the leadership contest that's when round two will start. Anyone who thinks he is unpopular needs to just do two minutes of research.

Two minutes of research would point you to this sort of evidence. When asked who would make the best prime minister, 52% say Theresa May and 18% say Corbyn.

Do you seriously think that is the sort of 'popularity' which wins general elections?
 
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Two minutes of research would point you to this sort of evidence. When asked who would make the best prime minister, 52% say Theresa May and 18% say Corbyn.

Do you seriously think that is the sort of 'popularity' which wins general elections?

It's brought up in the interview above: that stat and the one where younger people (18-24) prefer May as well. As Owen said, the polling is dreadful for Corbo personally atm, let alone the party. And, tbf, Jezza was given a chance to respond without interruptions on all these points.
 
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It's brought up in the interview above: that stat and the one where younger people (18-24) prefer May as well. As Owen said, the polling is dreadful for Corbo personally atm, let alone the party. And, tbf, Jezza was given a chance to respond without interruptions on all these points.

Indeed. If it was just Labour which was polling badly, then I might be willing to chalk it up to the leadership battle and give Corbyn the benefit of the doubt. But Corbyn's personal figures are atrocious.

There's also this poll - 19% of Scottish Labour voters think Corbyn is doing well, 66% think he is doing badly.
 
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Indeed. If it was just Labour which was polling badly, then I might be willing to chalk it up to the leadership battle and give Corbyn the benefit of the doubt. But Corbyn's personal figures are atrocious.

There's also this poll - 19% of Scottish Labour voters think Corbyn is doing well, 66% think he is doing badly.

Solution: Scottish Labour won in surprising places; they will expose the SNP's austerity record; glory. All well and good, but glory when? Come election time people will start hitting him with his spending commitments and the key question of 'how, Jezza, how?'. It won't be pretty.
 
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Two minutes of research would point you to this sort of evidence. When asked who would make the best prime minister, 52% say Theresa May and 18% say Corbyn.

Do you seriously think that is the sort of 'popularity' which wins general elections?

He is an elected party leader from 60% of his parties vote.

If it were the case that Corbyn only polls that much, May would hold a snap election immediately. Its a guarantee of 5 more years.

The difficulty for Corbyn would really be (backed up by multiple sources) he would be fighting not just the Tory PM but the media as well. He was and is still regularly blacked out in media.

In this next round of leadership tests I wouldn't be surprised if he polls 80%+. That's the popularity I'm talking about.
 
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It's brought up in the interview above: that stat and the one where younger people (18-24) prefer May as well. As Owen said, the polling is dreadful for Corbo personally atm, let alone the party. And, tbf, Jezza was given a chance to respond without interruptions on all these points.

Do we have data from where this poll is/has been centred around? In the north of England and midlands he does well. We just have to look at the CLP popularity.

People are hungering for change but when all the news peddles about his performance it does start to grate.

Owen Smith as leader will be guaranteeing more establishment politics. Owen Smith by all counts should be on the blue benches given his past record.
 
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If it were the case that Corbyn only polls that much, May would hold a snap election immediately. Its a guarantee of 5 more years.

Well she has four years, given the fixed terms, there isn't much to be gained by adding one more year, given our current fixed term election system.

Madness to risk it in a post brexit climate, for an additional year.
 

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Well she has four years, given the fixed terms, there isn't much to be gained by adding one more year, given our current fixed term election system.

Madness to risk it in a post brexit climate, for an additional year.

Not to mention she would want to wait until the boundary changes are done first.
 
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Owen Smith as leader will be guaranteeing more establishment politics. Owen Smith by all counts should be on the blue benches given his past record.

Owen Smith's policies are very left wing, and his speeches are very left wing.. The idea that he should be on the blue benches is absolute horse droppings. Smith's voting record is of a loyalist, he's voting against the whip exactly once: to legalise assisted dying. It's difficult to read anything much about his own opinions into such a record.

And that's going to be the problem with this election: the amount of rubbish that is getting spouted about the candidates from both sides. I don't believe many people are going to be making an informed voted based on what the candidates are saying because they just aren't listening.
 
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Solution: Scottish Labour won in surprising places; they will expose the SNP's austerity record; glory.

Scottish Labour were hammered at the last General Election and at the Scottish Parliament Elections. They even lost all seats in Glasgow, unheard of till recently. Instead of trying to forge a distinctly Scottish voice for the Scottish Elections their Leader said the relationship with London Labour would be the same. A previous Scottish Labour leader resigned saying she was nothing but a branch manager. Labour's problems in Scotland go much deeper and with the same leader will not change.
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orces-deployed-secret-missions-shut-down.html

Corbyn wants secret SAS missions to be debated and approved in parliament before the go-ahead is given.

I can see his point. Their actions could cause embarrassment for this country. The PM getting round what Parliament decides by using her office is the path to anti democratic cliques. For speed in circumstances it need not be a full HofC debate but a Defence committee. Britain needs to get away from the Presidential idea that a PM alone can decide to declare wars or activate military forces.
 
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Have said this many times in this thread. Their anti-Corbyn stance was obvious for all to see.

Yes, it has been the same for at least 6 months, i even emailed the BBC pointing out their obvious bias, even on other subjects to.

What i don't get is why isn't there a way to expose the BBC when they are openly bias, emailing them never gets a response, there should be some kind of page on their site which contains complaints\emails etc from the general public and the BBC's responses on pretty much everything the public complain about or email them about or whatever the public is concerned about.

They are funded by us the public so why are they allowed to get away with ignoring people and their biased reporting or none reporting.

Like i said, i have emailed them over Corbyn and their obvious bias towards him, so i guess quite a lot of people have contacted them over the same, so why is there no evidence of the BBC addressing this or other subjects.

The point i am getting at is, they are funded by us, so they should be listening and acting accordingly, surely there must be some law they are breaking if they are ever holding the truth back, especially when it is blatantly obvious.

It is like taking the **** out of us.
 
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Yes, it has been the same for at least 6 months, i even emailed the BBC pointing out their obvious bias, even on other subjects to.

What i don't get is why isn't there a way to expose the BBC when they are openly bias, emailing them never gets a response, there should be some kind of page on their site which contains complaints\emails etc from the general public and the BBC's responses on pretty much everything the public complain about or email them about or whatever the public is concerned about.

They are funded by us the public so why are they allowed to get away with ignoring people and their biased reporting or none reporting.

You should make complaints to the BBC Trust, not the BBC itself.

Like i said, i have emailed them over Corbyn and their obvious bias towards him, so i guess quite a lot of people have contacted them over the same, ...

Interesting theory, are you the barometer of the UK? :p

The point i am getting at is, they are funded by us, so they should be listening and acting accordingly, surely there must be some law they are breaking if they are ever holding the truth back, especially when it is blatantly obvious.

I assume you're referring to their news more than anything. There are slander and libel laws to prevent outright lies, but nothing for "withholding" the truth.

I must admit I don't tend to read much about Corbyn. John McDonnell though, he's an irritating and typical politician, which makes it even worse when he stands on a high horse thinking he's not a typical politician.
 
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