They're either lying or stupid. Miners aren't going to be interested in a card with lower price/performance/powerdraw ratios than Nvidia cards.
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@Gibbo - Vega Preorders?
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And you know the performance of the Vega how?
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That's a shame, I can't afford to buy it all at the same time, It's a bit odd though, You get the voucher from the gpu purchase? Oh well I'll still save 50 or 60 quid through the games.
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Sales yes but not gaming market share, Mining has both a positive and negative effect. Positive for the sales but negative because most people just see extortionate prices and a lack of stock so they still go Nvidia and AMD's influence on games and their developers remains low.
Vega FE launched over a month ago, it has the mining performance of a GTX1070 (plus >double the price and power consumption). The Vega 64 gaming card is not going to be better at compute than the compute card, when it's the same card with lower clocks and different drivers, that is simply not possible. Miner still wont want it unless it's sub £300 and that's not going to happen.
Vega FE launched over a month ago, it has the mining performance of a GTX1070 (plus >double the price and power consumption). The Vega 64 gaming card is not going to be better at compute than the compute card, when it's the same card with lower clocks and different drivers, that is simply not possible. Miner still wont want it unless it's sub £300 and that's not going to happen.
It also has virtually no power optimisation, immature drivers (mining doesn't address pro drivers, it addresses gaming ones mostly), no custom BIOSes, no miners optimised for the new architecture, and a new mining ISA (which I think simulates FP64 with FP32?) coming soon ... I highly doubt that miners won't buy as many as they can.
I suspect with the new ISA and undervolting, it will offer performance better than or equal to Polaris.
Even if it did somehow receive an unheard of level of performance boost, it isn't going to magically halve it's power consumption at the same time is it.
These cards are about as anticipated in mining circles as they are in North Korea. There isn't going to be any shortage due to miners.
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End of the day, its how many cards you sell, not what they are used for, if hardly anyones buying a Nvidia card, because everyones just buying AMDs up in their thousands for mining, its still going to drop their market share, and take away their dominance.
They're just missing out on a chance to crumble Nvidias market share, and rocket their own, they could end up on 70%, with Nvidia only on 30%, would do them wonders, devs would start using their stuff, and gamers would see that, pushing them to buy their card as well over Nvidias, so not just the miners buying them up, selling to miners, would help them massively.
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You completely ignored the first part of my statement - on purpose of course.
Clue for you. They wouldn't bother to release a mining ISA for Vega if miners weren't likely to be interested. They're not fanbois, they're interested in ROI.
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Developers will develop for the cards their customers have. Developers can easily inject code (particularly easy for games that have an online component) and see what their customers are using. If less and less people are using AMD cards for gaming they will spend less time supporting them. So yes its great for AMD's bottom line, its potentially less good for AMD's gaming customers if all the cards are being bought up by miners.
AMD gaining market share overall isnt going to affect nvidia's dominance in game dev support if those cards arent being used for gaming.
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Thats a shame then 
Well AMD's own slides (as muddy as they were) showed very similar pe formance to a 1080. Of course these were cherry picked dx12 benchmarks so I would expect independent testing to show less performance.
However if you want to base your performance on AMD's slides then 1080 it is.
I don't know what the performance of RX Vega is going to be like for mining, I hope it sucks so that prices don't sky rocket. But, there are miners who live in areas with very cheap electricity and some who don't pay any electricity. Power consumption will not be a problem for them and they will only be looking at the hash rate.
And I do remember a post about someone under volting Vega FE by quite a bit and still getting decent performance out of it.
I just think it's too early to tell for sure.
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^^ All of this. Plus certain algorithms, say DaggerHashimoto (Ethereum uses this) are heavily memory dependent - which is why you see almost every miner on Ethereum boosting the mem clocks and dropping the power limit to 50-60%. The Fury X was decent at it, I was getting ~33MH/s when I tested it, but that was on an older mining program so expect gains just from upgrading to Claymore 9.7 (I tried it on 9.5) and this was stock clocks. With some tweaking the Fury was probably a monster. I can see Vega having similarly good mining results, just give the community a few weeks/months with it to tweak settings, find best drivers, optimise mining software - HBM2 should be nothing but good news for memory heavy algorithms. I won't be adding any vegas to my mining pool, frankly because I'm not investing any more into mining - but I can see them being good cards for it down the line (Vega 56 most likely).
didnt nvidia drivers boost workloads of the XP by quite a bit, so its not out of the realm of possibility anyway, regarding power... it didnt stop them buying 2/390x and mining with them
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Surprised this guy wants AMD stuff after doing some preaching of how good Intel Quad cores are for gaming, each to his own i guess.
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What Market share do you mean? I'm saying if loads of AMD cards are bought for mining it's not the same market so those sales won't help AMD's position in the gaming market. They may get short term sale boosts due to mining trends but when cards are not selling to miner's they find themselves back in the same position of having the minority share in gaming circles. Now if they can use some of the money made from the mining sales to increase the development budget that'll be good news in a couple of years time..
No, they unlocked previously locked functionality reserved for Quadro cards in order to let the XP compete better with Vega in compute tasks.
True but at the time that was a good deal, you couldn't buy an equally performing card for the same money that used half the power.
That's not me posting my "feelings", it's me correcting (different) people who repeatedly post the same misinformation.
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Yet you've ignored the 2 people who've posted to correct you repeating the same nonsense
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